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I have a growing feeling that Britain will NOT leave the EU
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I have every confidence that we will be leaving, not sure who made up this "soft and hard brexit" saying. We will take full control of our boarders, our laws and who we decide to trade with.
For those that wish us to remain, your clasping at straws, sorry...
What have boarders done that requires them to be controlled?0 -
While I wish that staying in the EU was still an option as gpflex suggests, I seriously doubt that Maybe will allow any arrangement that does not allow her to face the electorate saying the UK has exited the EU or at least the UK will be exiting the EU on a given date.
The arrogance shown by Maybe and Davis towards Parliament is an outrage but I doubt that Parliament will do anything than stops up leaving.
But elections are funny things. The 48 % and the 52% had a mixed political complexion and they are not fixed. I doubt that many people in the 48% will have changed their mind as a result of what has happened. But the more fanatical supporters of a hard Brexit may find that their support is quite fragile if faced with a coalition that supports a soft Brexit and actually wins the election. Many people thought Brexit was easy- tell the EU to get lost and all will be well in the world - but as they see it is not that easy and suffer the financial consequences of their bravado, they will form a different view.
Equally the EU is about to change and may well start offering a more sensible relationship to us.
But ultimately we will be out of the EU (and maybe not just the UK).Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
What have boarders done that requires them to be controlled?
So my spelling is a little out on occasion but i think you're a tad late with your attempt at humour as its been flogged already in this thread...."I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers."0 -
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This is worth a watch if you want reminding what was said by the Leave campaign:Ahh so we're down to "mights" now. In that case show me a lie from the other side that was cast in stone, show me where they promised, not 'coulds', "mights" or "maybes"...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBxWiRz6A9E0 -
Ahh so we're down to "mights" now. In that case show me a lie from the other side that was cast in stone, show me where they promised, not 'coulds', "mights" or "maybes"...
Was it death? No. Was it taxes? No, so obviously it was might. Mind you, you could well ask, would he have held an emergency budget if a comet smashed into the Earth the day before? Obviously there'd be an awful lot of death, but I can't quite see even the Inland Revenue managing to collect taxes after that.Chuck Norris can kill two stones with one birdThe only time Chuck Norris was wrong was when he thought he had made a mistakeChuck Norris puts the "laughter" in "manslaughter".I've started running again, after several injuries had forced me to stop0 -
This is worth a watch if you want reminding what was said by the Leave campaign:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBxWiRz6A9E
Like this one better.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBkVWbY-b8U"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers."0 -
If there is an attempt to subvert democracy by staging a second referendum whose result would be binding if it's Remain but would presumably only be "advisory" if it's Leave again, I would consider that to be a coup d'etat against the people. I didn't vote last time but I would vote Leave if that happened. I think Leave would win bigger in fact.
The EU has decided it would sooner shatter than reform. I'd vote Leave to get that process started.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Yep.
We'll likely leave the EU.
But of course nobody was asked any other question on that ballot paper - so we can leave the EU but stay in the single market (or some long term "transitional deal" very close to it) - and the democratic choice expressed in the referendum will have been delivered in full.
Not often I agree with you on this subject, but I have to say on this occasion I do ....0
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