I have a growing feeling that Britain will NOT leave the EU

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

With only two questions; stay in the EU or leave the EU.

Yep.

We'll likely leave the EU.

But of course nobody was asked any other question on that ballot paper - so we can leave the EU but stay in the single market (or some long term "transitional deal" very close to it) - and the democratic choice expressed in the referendum will have been delivered in full.

ukcarper

Matt_L wrote: »

Perfectly fair when you consider the lies from the other side:beer:

What lies were they they made a few prediction that may or may not come true but bare faced lies?

vivatifosi

I agree with Hamish, we'll likely leave the EU.

I also agree that we'll end up either in the single market or a long term transitional deal. I am not so sure about the customs union, as that's the point at which you go off and make deals with other countries.

There's another issue though. That's the speed at which other events are overtaking us. We now have a Trump presidency, which seemed near impossible for much of the last year, as well as forthcoming elections in France, Italy, Germany and political uncertainty in Spain. These are the cornerstone countries of the EU. If Malta, Sweden or Cyprus left, it would make very little difference. If two of the big five leave, that's a very difficult set of circumstances, particularly if one is the first Eurozone participant to pull out.

Luke273

Got to love Remainers hope/wishes that they can delay/block the Brexit process with legal challenges, neverendums, etc. The fact of the matter is that there is a deadline for Brexit to be completed by May 2020.

What do you think will happen if we are not out of the EU by then? Let's not forget that Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems got absolutely slaughtered in last year's elections because of one single policy that condemned them (tuition fees). Do you honestly believe that 52% of the voting population will forget Brexit ever existed if it's not implemented by then?

By delaying/blocking Brexit, you will just give UKIP and other far right parties their rallying cry in 2020 and potentially leaving the EU under harder terms than most of us ever want. If you think it can't happen then you obviously not been paying much attention this year.

The Conservatives are not stupid, they know most of their voters are wanting to see Brexit happen and they will already have one eye on the next general election, they will make sure it will happen by then whilst doing as little damage to the economy as possible to ensure they win the majority again.

Matt_L

ukcarper wrote: »

What lies were they they made a few prediction that may or may not come true but bare faced lies?

How about Osborne stating that he would, "have an emergency budget in the event of a brexit vote"???

Linton

We did make a democratic choice to stay 40 years ago but nevertheless the question was put again given new data. Once the people see the effect of their more recent democratic choice they surely should be given the right to change their minds either via another referendum or a general election where each MP makes his/her position clear.

The trouble with yes/no democratic choices is that the things people want arent compatible.

powerful_Rogue

caronoel wrote: »

So was the promise of £350m a week for the NHS valid and fair, on a barefaced lie to keep the little Englanders happy?

I still can't understand why people think the NHS was promised £350 million a week.

The slogan on the bus said

"We send the EU £350 million a week. Let's fund our NHS instead"

Moto2

powerful_Rogue wrote: »

I still can't understand why people think the NHS was promised £350 million a week.

The slogan on the bus said

"We send the EU £350 million a week. Let's fund our NHS instead"

They didn't all read that

powerful_Rogue

Moto2 wrote: »

They didn't all read that

Still can't see how people interpret that as a promise. People act as if it said "We will give our NHS the £350 million the EU takes every week"

MPD

The people voted out, but only in an advisory vote. To turn this into law and therefore action requires an act of parliament, this is how our democracy works. If the PM had put forward a tightly worded bill then the timescales promised would have been easily delivered. It was the insistence on trying to bypass parliament that has slowed the process down.

I thought one of the central ideas of Brexit was to take back control i.e. a sovereign parliament. Either celebrate the success of achieving this or think about what you really want before expressing outrage.

We are a democracy, the people voted for to leave the EU and we will leave the EU.