I have a growing feeling that Britain will NOT leave the EU

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What does the EU offer that we cannot do ourselves?

Other than the £146,610,000,000 additional military spending?

mrginge

Herzlos wrote: »

So, if you're selling at old car, say a 1992 Fiesta. Do you start the opening bit of £400m? Or do you start it at £400?

No, that would be stupid.

My point is you start with the maximum best deal you think might be accepted, rather than the best deal you want. Otherwise you're just wasting everyones time.

Although I agree that an opening needs to be reasonable, starting out at a position that you think might be accepted is selling yourself short.

You seem to be taking the view that the EU position is already fixed and so the UK have to work within those parameters.
That is not my view.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

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My point is you start with the maximum best deal you think might be accepted, rather than the best deal you want. Otherwise you're just wasting everyones time.

You appoint the best negotiating team you can muster, and then trust them to do their job. If both sides did this we would much better off in terms of early progress.

The government will now present 'their plan' to parliament, but it won't necessarily mean anything. The German elections next October could change the negotiations, and that is just one EU state.

Be prepared to adapt, I say.

mwpt

The_Last_Username wrote: »

You're living in La-la land.
Nothing proposed by the UK would be acceptable to some within the EU.

You're living in la-la land. Nothing the EU does will ever be good enough for the quitters. Everything that goes wrong with any country associated with the EU will be blamed on the EU (whatever that actually means).

mwpt

HornetSaver wrote: »

Is it not the case that uncertainty will diminish as a direct result of Theresa May agreeing to outline her overall approach to Parliament?

Probably. When people see that A4 sheet of paper, laminated paper no less, with the big bold words

"BREXIT MEANS BREXIT, ALL WILL BE WELL"

on it, everyone will calm the !!!! down and we'll tiger our way to a glorious empire of prosperity.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

Other than the £146,610,000,000 additional military spending?

Care too expand further?

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Care too expand further?

Sure. The UK has a military spend of about EU48bn, whilst the EU as a whole has a military spend of about EU194bn.

So they provide almost exactly 3 times more military funding than we do. Thus the combined result is about 4x the military power of the UK on it's own.

Since we're retiring ships years before the replacements are available, we're really not in a position to go it alone.

It does mean that we provide 25% of the UKs military power though, which certainly goes in our favour come negotiations

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

Even before the negotiations I don't think I have seen the EU so united. We (all 28) Country's are probably reading more about the EU than ever before.

Well of course they are united at present. You can expect them to be singing from the same hymnsheet until you get to the point where national interests become involved. see how united they are then.

Marktheshark

My signature was changed the day after the vote and speaks volumes.

They have already substituted Leave with Brexit and Brexit will become what they invent it to be.

What I can tell you is it will be : Membership of the EU with camerons reform deal which was negotiated.

We will be in the single market, which is all the EU is, the common market and we will pay contributions for access to the single market which is what we do now.

We will have free movement of people, we will have to accept non EU "refugees" just like the ones arriving nightly as we speak and we will have to follow all EU law.

It is not going to happen, they got the wrong result and the greedy little pigs that rule over us are not going to get their noses out of any trough or their backsides off any gravy train.


As Johnny Rotten said, ever get the feeling you've cheated.

Matt_L

Herzlos wrote: »

Sure. The UK has a military spend of about EU48bn, whilst the EU as a whole has a military spend of about EU194bn.

So they provide almost exactly 3 times more military funding than we do. Thus the combined result is about 4x the military power of the UK on it's own.

Since we're retiring ships years before the replacements are available, we're really not in a position to go it alone.

It does mean that we provide 25% of the UKs military power though, which certainly goes in our favour come negotiations

So the EU has a military force now?? Or did you mean, adding the money spent by each individual country that is a member of the EU together the figure would be????