I have a growing feeling that Britain will NOT leave the EU

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

so anyone that doesn't agree with you is simply a liar.
must make 'debate ' very simple if a little inconsequential

No. Try reading what I wrote.

Jason74

wotsthat wrote: »

No. Try reading what I wrote.

Come on, you're not new round here so there is no excuse for that post. You know full well that CLAPTON doesn't debate like that, so what do you think you are doing trying to tell him to debate like a sensible rational person 🙆🙆🙆

CLAPTON

Jason74 wrote: »

Come on, you're not new round here so there is no excuse for that post. You know full well that CLAPTON doesn't debate like that, so what do you think you are doing trying to tell him to debate like a sensible rational person ������

you are free to comment as you see fit but what was posted was

Originally Posted by wotsthat View Post
Yes it is a broad brush. It'll do though - Brexit is a very complicated way to attempt to reduce immigration.

People who voted because of democracy or to expand trade are in a minority or making it up.

it does not show respect for other peoples views nor does it respect their integrity.
It is usual however, for the left to reject fair debate, and to dis respect the views of those that differ from themselves.

One can hold an honest difference of opinion without assuming your opponents 'makes up their views'

kabayiri

All we do know is what question was written on the ballot paper, and how the referendum topic was presented by the original proponent : David Cameron.

The question was about leaving the EU. David Cameron claimed when explaining the Tory manifesto before the GE that it would be a simple IN/OUT question. He never once mentioned a multiple consultation process.

As a voter I was perfectly entitled to accept his manifesto pledge, and read the question at face value.

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

it does not show respect for other peoples views nor does it respect their integrity.
It is usual however, for the left to reject fair debate, and to dis respect the views of those that differ from themselves.'

Nonsense. I'm quite clearly saying that I believe immigration was the core reason people voted to leave the EU. That's not controversial. Therefore if people are saying democracy and trade were their core reasons for voting to leave they're in a minority or lying.

It's a simple exercise in logic.

wotsthat

kabayiri wrote: »

All we do know is what question was written on the ballot paper, and how the referendum topic was presented by the original proponent : David Cameron.

The question was about leaving the EU. David Cameron claimed when explaining the Tory manifesto before the GE that it would be a simple IN/OUT question. He never once mentioned a multiple consultation process.

As a voter I was perfectly entitled to accept his manifesto pledge, and read the question at face value.

That manifesto pledge has been delivered. There was a simple in/out question.

Maybe it was too simple.

lisyloo

It's a simple exercise in logic.

Logic also includes the possibility that you initial assumption is incorrect.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

Nonsense. I'm quite clearly saying that I believe immigration was the core reason people voted to leave the EU. That's not controversial. Therefore if people are saying democracy and trade were their core reasons for voting to leave they're in a minority or lying.

It's a simple exercise in logic.

sadly, your own words illustrate the lack of respect for other peoples views

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

wotsthat wrote: »

Brexit is a very complicated way to attempt to reduce immigration.

Brexit isn't going to (meaningfully) reduce immigration.

People who voted because of democracy or to expand trade are in a minority or making it up.

Agreed.

Suppose we'll just have to wait for Brexit to not materially reduce immigration - and then spot the howls of outrage from all those people that have been trying to claim it's really all about 'sovereignty'.....:rotfl:

gfplux

Conrad wrote: »

Banks have a say in whether they want to be taken over and a choice in whether to move into the highly intrusive, risky lumbering EU where all manner of new finance regulations are comming down the pipe, including Basal4 and Mifid 2

Frankly have lived through a number of Banking disasters I consider the more regulation of Banks the better.
Now if Britain wants to attract or keep Banks by having loose regulation that is Britains choice. I do not agree.