I have a growing feeling that Britain will NOT leave the EU

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

There isn't an answer. It's a belief that if the UK had been more engaged in the EU then the EU would look different. I understand you have a different belief system - that's OK.

Whether any of your pet peeves would've been addressed I'm not sure. I have a suspicion that both the UK and EU would be equally indifferent to your feelings which is why I think you should prepare yourself for continued disappointment post Brexit.

I would have imaged that you would have specific examples of the reforms you would have liked in the EU and some examples of how the UK stopped them happening.
But you say there aren't any but just the belief that it would be 'different'.

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

I would have imaged that you would have specific examples of the reforms you would have liked in the EU and some examples of how the UK stopped them happening.
But you say there aren't any but just the belief that it would be 'different'.

What's the point of being specific? I'm going to suggest something that might have been different and you'll say it will never have happened.

Let's try it. If the UK had been more engaged then we might have been enjoying tariff free trade with African farmers. Definitely would've happened.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

What's the point of being specific? I'm going to suggest something that might have been different and you'll say it will never have happened.

Let's try it. If the UK had been more engaged then we might have been enjoying tariff free trade with African farmers. Definitely would've happened.

yes it is possible that CAP would have been reformed to provide low/zero tariff on african foodstuffs : to some extent this has been achieved with unprocessed foods. I've no idea whether the UK led or followed.
The policies of the EU have caused huge un-necessary poverty in Africa and damaged the people of the EU over the last 40 years : I acknowledge welcome changes over the recent few years.

some interesting reading

https://capx.co/how-the-eu-starves-africa-into-submission/

or
http://www.reformthecap.eu/issues/policy-instruments/tariffs

Conrad

wotsthat wrote: »

There isn't an answer. It's a belief that if the UK had been more engaged in the EU then the EU would look different.

In 1961, before we even joined, Harold Macmillan said that by joining we could reform away its ‘ever closer union’.

As European Commission President Juncker told us, “There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties.”

gfplux

We can all watch the process next week.

https://fullfact.org/law/brexit-supreme-court/

"All 11 justices of the Supreme Court will hear the government’s appeal. If you are watching the case, you will see Lord Neuberger, the court’s president, sitting at the centre of the concave bench. Lady Hale, his deputy, will sit to his right."

Four days have been set aside which indicates it's complexity and 11 Justices (1 place is vacant) also indicates how serious it is.

We will all have to wait until early January to here the result.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

We will all have to wait until early January to here the result.

The result in itself does not stop the process. I'm sure the other member states would prefer the matter dealt with quickly. As creates enormous uncertainty for the project as a whole.

CLAPTON

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The result in itself does not stop the process. I'm sure the other member states would prefer the matter dealt with quickly. As creates enormous uncertainty for the project as a whole.

whilst I have no idea what the member states want, I'm pretty sure the EU elite will delay and procrastinate in order to cause maximum damage

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

whilst I have no idea what the member states want, I'm pretty sure the EU elite will delay and procrastinate in order to cause maximum damage

Why would they do that?

The bigger concern is damage that the EU states will cause in the hopes of being able to benefit - like taking over our banking sector.

Conrad wrote: »

In 1961, before we even joined, Harold Macmillan said that by joining we could reform away its ‘ever closer union’.

Which I dare say we could, if we were actively involved in the EU instead of just cherry picking and complaining about stuff.

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

Why would they do that?

The bigger concern is damage that the EU states will cause in the hopes of being able to benefit - like taking over our banking sector.

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I would be delighted if the EU27 acted in their own best economic interests.
However, history shows the elite act out a political agenda.

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

whilst I have no idea what the member states want, I'm pretty sure the EU elite will delay and procrastinate in order to cause maximum damage

Evidence based or straight prejudice?