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JakiT

Thanks Jim. I was just posting the free newsletter that's all. I myself have bought the manuals but I often give them free to friends who have the dreaded forms or have been turned down for PIP and/or ESA. It's really no skin off my nose whether people join it or not. The problems is people's suspiciousness in this forum...

I don't like it. usually when you help people they are grateful and that makes offering help worthwhile...but to be attacked like this just makes me think sod it

sangie595

JakiT wrote: »

Bully for you! But I have chronic fatigue on top of mental health problems and not everyone is the same as you. If you are in any chronic fatigue forums you would understand

I am being unfairly attacked for trying to help people. I only justified it because somebody said did I have a question around my post . If this is the thanks I get for trying to get information to people who need it than fine. I shan't bother because it is easier for me not to help than expending my energy trying to help..sadly some people will lose out for not having the information but that will be thanks to you. I didn't break any rules. I posted a link to a free newsletter in a benefits forum and so there's no rule breaking, just pedantic people, splitting hairs when people are struggling because of the benefits system...

I didn't say everyone was the same as me. I wasn't the one saying that disabled people would struggle to understand a forum! But your attitude to everyone here has been sheer nastiness and complaints that you don't like the forum or the people on it. Yes, people are struggling - whether it is because of the benefits system or not is a matter of debate, but I will agree that some people struggle with the benefits system. That is why MSE DO NOT CHARGE those people for benefits advice. The "newsletter" you have linked to here simply repeats information freely available information and TWICE invites people to pay the site money to access the advice.

Absolutely NOBODY is going to lose out because of not reading a newsletter with a very few news stories that are freely available in many other places including MSE. But they will lose out if they feel that they have to pay money to access advice which is ALSO freely available in many places. You are acting like you are Mother Theresa. If you want to give advice on this forum, then there are plenty of open threads waiting for you. If you want a debate, there is Discussion Time. And if you want to advertise other sites, or slag off this one for not being good enough for you, then I think it would be better if you retired to the better sites and posted there.

ev8

I think this has escalated and I'm not sure how or why, it seems petty over the place of a post.

In fairness, I was actually the one who suggested that people who come here and have certain disabilities may struggle to read every detail in the stickies originally. I know this as this is how I feel. I also have a syndrome which causes fatigue and a lot of you may know about the fog that goes with it, most days I can't cut through it enough to read long posts, especially if I feel I don't need to.

I never do that if I sign up for a forum, I just start posting, especially if I have a problem or need advice and don't read the rules or stickies.

I don't think that all of this was warranted.

NeilCr

ev8 wrote: »

I think this has escalated and I'm not sure how or why, it seems petty over the place of a post.

In fairness, I was actually the one who suggested that people who come here and have certain disabilities may struggle to read every detail in the stickies originally. I know this as this is how I feel. I also have a syndrome which causes fatigue and a lot of you may know about the fog that goes with it, most days I can't cut through it enough to read long posts, especially if I feel I don't need to.

I never do that if I sign up for a forum, I just start posting, especially if I have a problem or need advice and don't read the rules or stickies.

I don't think that all of this was warranted.

I really think that is fair enough. I reckon most people do the same - join a forum and then start posting straight away. I do it myself!

But, if something is pointed out to me about how a forum works then I abide by that. As a mod on another, non benefits based board, I know what a pain it is when posters go their own way. Normally, forum rules are there for a reason. Certainly, in this instance, I can see why there is a split between discussing benefits policy and commenting on individual cases

Bogalot

JakiT wrote: »

Bully for you! But I have chronic fatigue on top of mental health problems and not everyone is the same as you. If you are in any chronic fatigue forums you would understand

I am being unfairly attacked for trying to help people. I only justified it because somebody said did I have a question around my post . If this is the thanks I get for trying to get information to people who need it than fine. I shan't bother because it is easier for me not to help than expending my energy trying to help..sadly some people will lose out for not having the information but that will be thanks to you. I didn't break any rules. I posted a link to a free newsletter in a benefits forum and so there's no rule breaking, just pedantic people, splitting hairs when people are struggling because of the benefits system...

You have not been attacked or bullied.

It was politely explained to you that discussion threads should be posted only on the Discussion Time board, and that this is a rule put in place by the forum team, not by pedantic individual members. For some reason you took offence to this.

If in future you are unsure where to post then the stickies at the top of board will guide you. If you're still unsure then a PM to a board guide will get you the assistance you need.

ev8

I still don't see the problem.

I still feel this is the place to put such information, especially as many may come here for benefits news and advice, if it's on the general forum it would most likely get lost and people who come here just for this wouldn't even see it.

nannytone_2

top sticky on the benefits and tax credit forum page

'its about helping people claim their entitlement, not about benefits policy'

those are the forum rules.

should all rules be ignored that you don't agree with?

wellynever

ev8 wrote: »

I still don't see the problem.

I still feel this is the place to put such information, especially as many may come here for benefits news and advice, if it's on the general forum it would most likely get lost and people who come here just for this wouldn't even see it.

DT is for members only so people would need to be logged on to see it,

The reason so many people like posts like this is they can get away with a lot more abuse on DT,

It's usually the meme's as I call them aka the OAP's, you know the one's I've never had it so why should you types

sangie595

wellynever wrote: »

It's usually the meme's as I call them aka the OAP's, you know the one's I've never had it so why should you types

I am not quite an OAP yet, but I find this offensive. Just lumping a whole set of people together and assuming their characteristics is called discrimination - and in this case it would be age discrimination which is unlawful. I have spent my entire life fighting for the rights of others in this country and abroad. I still do. But having rights is not the same thing as being entitled. You may think that older people are all "meme's". That says far more about you than it does about older people.

It's fascinating how some polite requests to one person to please post appropriately has turned into attacking everyone else and baseless accusations of bullying. Is this how the younger generation conduct themselves when they can't get their own way, or is it just a few of you?

Anyway, I'm out ....

wellynever

sangie595 wrote: »

I am not quite an OAP yet, but I find this offensive. Just lumping a whole set of people together and assuming their characteristics is called discrimination - and in this case it would be age discrimination which is unlawful. I have spent my entire life fighting for the rights of others in this country and abroad. I still do. But having rights is not the same thing as being entitled. You may think that older people are all "meme's". That says far more about you than it does about older people.

It's fascinating how some polite requests to one person to please post appropriately has turned into attacking everyone else and baseless accusations of bullying. Is this how the younger generation conduct themselves when they can't get their own way, or is it just a few of you?

Anyway, I'm out ....

Good, I have 37 yrs of NIC's so not so young, just the way the meme's act.