Cyclist collision at mini round about

dacouch

emmasaundersagain wrote: »

Ok but also suggests I entered the round about first. Irrespective of location your view is already biased my friend. You cannot for one instance fathom that the cyclist was irresponsible and drove into me. I may have been able to have taken evasive action if he wasn't dressed like a ninja and had lights on, but again even that point is irrelevant on this forum

I work in insurance so I'm very familiar with accident liability and I'm also used to dealing with two parties each of which give a different version of events.

The cyclist hitting the front corner off side of your car on a round about would normally (Not always) indicate that they were already on the roundabout. If they hit the drivers door or further back it would lend credance to you being on the roundabout first.

Ultimately, if they claim off your Insurance, without independent witnesses and the cyclist giving a different version of events to you, then your Insurers are likely to pay out his claim.

A google street view may help.

For the record, I cycle to work 3 or 4 times a week on a mountain bike, I do not wear lycra and I spend a large portion of my day driving.

bigadaj

emmasaundersagain wrote: »

Ok so you say normally not always when is this exception broken and I'm sure your also aware cyclists can make shapeper evasive action manoeuvre's which is why he hit the front not the back

Still not accepting any other objective opinion then?

Mercdriver

bigadaj wrote: »

Still not accepting any other objective opinion then?

No. Because she is never wrong and anyone who disagrees is a 'retard' - her words, not mine...

Mercdriver

emmasaundersagain wrote: »

There's plenty of objective opinion that goes against yours cocksucker

Temper! Temper! Quite the classy lady aren't you?

Edited to add - I'm wondering about the similarities between this post and the Kraken post. Same rudeness, same refusal to accept any level of blame.

lister

If you are already on a mini roundabout/entered it and a car from the right then enters the roundabout after your already on it who then has the right of way. This also goes for the car cutting in front of you and not using the roundabout in the correct way in other words treating it as a "T" junction rather than a mini roundabout at all.
So does the car already on the roundabout have priority over the car from the right who has not as yet entered?

YES ALWAYS

No - not always. This is a mini roundabout, not a normal roundabout.

Read up on the TSRGD2016, but allow me to summarise:

Priority to right sign

5.—(1) The requirements conveyed to vehicular traffic on roads by a sign provided for at item 6 of the sign table in Part 2 of this Schedule are that—

(a)a vehicle entering the junction must give priority to vehicles coming from the right—

(i)at the transverse road marking provided for at item 6 of the sign table in Part 6 of this Schedule;

(ii)at the transverse road marking provided for at item 3 of the sign table in Part 6 of this Schedule; or

(iii)if a marking is not for the time being visible, at the junction;

(b)a vehicle proceeding through the junction must keep to the left of the white circle at the centre of the marking provided for at item 5 of the sign table in Part 6 of this Schedule (“the diagram 1003.4 marking”), unless the size of the vehicle or the layout of the junction makes it impracticable to do so; and

(c)no vehicle is to proceed past the diagram 1003.4 marking in a manner, or at a time, likely to endanger any person, or to cause the driver of another vehicle to change its speed or course in order to avoid an accident.

The bits in red are those which are most pertinent. Item 6 by the way is the mini-roundabout sign, and diagram 1003.4 shows the mini-roundabout central paint markings.

In other words you must give way to traffic from the right at the give way lines (or where they would be if not present) for traffic from the right, whether it is on the roundabout or approaching. You must not cause another driver to change speed or course to avoid a collision - and in this case they couldn't avoid it...

So no, a car on the roundabout categorically does not have priority, if by entering the roundabout ahead of approaching traffic from the right you have caused them to slow or change direction (or worse).

EDIT: Note that conventional roundabouts are different. They are considered to be a one way road which forms a circle. Therefore if you are established on that road ahead of another vehicle you would be considered to have priority, although ultimately entering ahead of a fast approaching vehicle from the right could be considered careless driving (or worse)

silverwhistle

emmasaundersagain wrote: »

There's plenty of objective opinion that goes against yours cocksucker

I think this rather proves that you've lost. The argument, the plot, any sympathy, objectivity.. I could go on.

Basically it's a SMIDSY thread.

Aylesbury_Duck

Mercdriver wrote: »

Temper! Temper! Quite the classy lady aren't you?

Edited to add - I'm wondering about the similarities between this post and the Kraken post. Same rudeness, same refusal to accept any level of blame.

My thoughts too. The similarities are striking.

BeenThroughItAll

Mercdriver wrote: »

Temper! Temper! Quite the classy lady aren't you?

Edited to add - I'm wondering about the similarities between this post and the Kraken post. Same rudeness, same refusal to accept any level of blame.

Aylesbury_Duck wrote: »

My thoughts too. The similarities are striking.

You're both a bit late to that party! I suggested the same 120ish posts ago

ETA, actually I didn't. I was suggesting it was similar to the 'Hogging the right lane' post; whereas it's actually similar to both (although the posting style isn't quite the same as Kraken's megathread).

As you were.

almillar

Lighing up time is sunset for cyclists and correct it was extremely dark there was a storm brewing and almost pitch black, it started to lash dwon with rain immediately after the accident.

WHAT WAS THE EXACT DATE AND TIME THAT IT HAPPENED?! You'll get nowhere without that info, re: lights.

Also, I thought we had concensus earlier that you're allowed 30 mins AFTER lighting up time before you MUST have lights.

So does the car already on the roundabout have priority over the car from the right who has not as yet entered?

Yes, it does. That would just be a simple rear-end accident, except that it's the side, and it's a cyclist. This is not the accident as I understood it. You were sitting stationary in a queue on a mini roundabout and a cyclist hit your stationary car? Do you have a witness?

WHY WON'T YOU SHARE A GOOGLE MAPS LINK? A picture speaks a thousand words!

BeenThroughItAll

emmasaundersagain wrote: »

here it is

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=!!!!+road+sign&client=ubuntu&hs=eaP&channel=fs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjol_i4kvbPAhXhAMAKHcqCDN4Q_AUICCgB&biw=1561&bih=733&dpr=0.9#imgrc=AGtWr_O7P8GbvM%3A

Here what is?