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Motorists, what to do about cyclists who constantly break the high way code???
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You can lead a horse to water, (but to get it to drink you have to hold its nose under, then get the gelding tongs out :rotfl:)
Bad lorry driver!
Cyclists don't need to take any avoiding action when it is someone else in the wrong, because when they die it is murder (well manslaughter actually, causing death by dangerous driving)
Very comforting for the bereaved family I'm sure.
Actually I can see what they are complaining about there.
If you were that cyclist what would you have done different ?
The lorry wasn't even indicating until it got beside the bike.
To avoid that type of incident (and those of that ilk where the lorry then cuts in again too soon - had that happen with a bus driver who suddenly realised that he was face to face with a traffic island when passing me) cyclists would have to stop every time a truck overtook them !
Now if it had been where a cyclist filtered up to the side of a truck turning left and then got side swiped I could understand it. But that ad is just plain bonkers.0 -
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I have a feeling however they'd have shot the video, or even used real clips of undertaking (appropriate word) cyclists, cries of "victim blaming" would be heard from the usual suspects within a few minutes.
"Where there is a left turn trainees must never pass to the left of a long vehicle, bus/lorry at the head of a junction."
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Actually I can see what they are complaining about there.
If you were that cyclist what would you have done different ?
The lorry wasn't even indicating until it got beside the bike.
Now if it had been where a cyclist filtered up to the side of a truck turning left and then got side swiped I could understand it. But that ad is just plain bonkers.
You are right about it being bonkers, all this modern scene switching nonsense, but if you ignore the cartoons, and watch from 0:26 to 0:28 the cyclist is undertaking the lorry. It is a 20 limit for motor vehicles, maybe the lorry is slowing down for the corner, maybe the 'bike is going over 20 (the speed limit doesn't apply to cycles except in some London parks)
So points they should have highlighted
The lorry should have signalled much earlier.
Lorries have a huge blindspot on the side
Lorry driver should check his extra mirrors carefully.
The cyclist should have avoided undertaking a lorry.
Large vehicles leave space on the inside when they are about to turn left
Just because 20 limits can't be enforced doesn't mean you can ignore them.
So much they could have made more obvious, sacrificed on the altar of trendy arty production.
I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....
(except air quality and Medical Science
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but if you ignore the cartoons, and watch from 0:26 to 0:28 the cyclist is undertaking the lorry.
Watched that bit again in case I'd got it wrong. The only* way that lorry position makes sense at 0:26 is if he was overtaking - and therefore to get to that position was going faster than the bike, then starts to slow to turn left.
*ok - one exception is if he'd started from stationary on the other side of the road - in which case he's an even bigger and more dangerous pratt!0 -
Watched that bit again in case I'd got it wrong. The only* way that lorry position makes sense at 0:26 is if he was overtaking - and therefore to get to that position was going faster than the bike, then starts to slow to turn left.
*ok - one exception is if he'd started from stationary on the other side of the road - in which case he's an even bigger and more dangerous pratt!
He is driving a 4 axle rigid truck and is about to make a 90 degree left turn without mounting the pavement, probably he moved out to make the turn easier- it is a one way street. (Actually I assumed that from the width of the road, but nothing on 4 wheels could have driven past the lorry to the right whether it kept left or not)
Like I posted, the video is so badly edited that all this is lost, 10 times as much epilepsy inducing scene switching than the part that carries the message.
(Look very carefully at the position of the cycle as it comes into shot, it is gaining on the lorry)I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....
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If you were that cyclist what would you have done different ?
Assuming the lorry overtake & turn interpretation
"Tum-ti-tum" I'm riding my bike along without a care in the world
VRRRMMMMM-CLATTERR-VRMMMMM!!!! a lorry starts to overtake me
"Tum-ti-tum" I'm riding my bike along without a care in the world
VRRRMMMMM-CLATTERR-VRMMMMM-PSSSSHHHH-VRRMMM-VRRRM!!!! (The lorry doesn't seem to be passing me as fast as I thought at first- maybe he has changed his mind about overtaking and speeding, I'm following the Highway Code and riding at 20)
"Tum-ti-tum" I'm riding my bike along without a care in the world
The lorry turns left over me, and I'm dead.
I don't think so.......... I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....
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Assuming the lorry overtake & turn interpretation
"Tum-ti-tum" I'm riding my bike along without a care in the world
VRRRMMMMM-CLATTERR-VRMMMMM!!!! a lorry starts to overtake me
"Tum-ti-tum" I'm riding my bike along without a care in the world
VRRRMMMMM-CLATTERR-VRMMMMM PSSSSHHHH!!!! The lorry doesn't seem to be passing me as fast as I thought at first
"Tum-ti-tum" I'm riding my bike along without a care in the world
The lorry turns left over me, and I'm dead.
I don't think so..........
Well that will teach the cyclist. one less inconvenience.....0 -
How about hanging? Or maybe beheading?
Burning at the stake?
Which of these options appeals most, Trinidadone?
BTW, I AM a motorist, so you may reply.0 -
Hmm - no, just not seeing - pause it at 27s and you can see he must have been out there four or five lorry lengths, maybe quite a lot more given the relative velocities, from that junction.
Actually - given the location of that 20 on the road (ie off to the left), I'm not even convinced it's a one way road.0
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