Brexiters should be 'Ashamed of the harm to come"

Thrugelmir

prosaver wrote: »

Sky news . No interest raise. . Google it

Public sector has 3 more years of 1% pay rises. Not good reading with inflation at two or three % higher.

HornetSaver

buglawton wrote: »

it's now October. I thought Project Fear was over and done with. But it's alive and well and living in this thread!

On the contrary. The early outcomes we are seeing as a result of Brexit, and perhaps more to the point the extent to which they are being brushed off, do confirm that Remainers were right about at least one thing.

Those who wanted Brexit really did not care about what it would cost.

Moby

cogito wrote: »

The ECJ are interpreting EU treaties in ways that were never foreseen by the signatories. As an example, free movement related only to movement of Labour until the court decided that it meant anyone could go to live anywhere they felt like it. There's nothing impartial about the court when it comes to extending the EU's reach.

Thats what Judges are meant to do. Law develops. International law especially. The law relating to free movement is not fixed in stone! we have chosen to walk away but will still be subject to decisions made because these decisions will impact on us.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

do you feel that the impartial commissioners of the EU did the right thing for the people of Greece?

No I dont....... so what?
If the Court in my country does eomething I find morally wrong........I have even less comeback. When was the last time you voted for a Judge Clapton?

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

No I dont....... so what?
If the Court in my country does eomething I find morally wrong........I have even less comeback. When was the last time you voted for a Judge Clapton?

if you genuinely believe you have more control over ECJ judges that you do over UK law as determined by parliament, then it makes sense for you to vote for the protectionist and racist EU.
I am very conscious that I haven't vote for many of the laws that government me nor do I have effective way of changing them, which is why I voted to leave the EU.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Thats what Judges are meant to do. Law develops. International law especially. The law relating to free movement is not fixed in stone! we have chosen to walk away but will still be subject to decisions made because these decisions will impact on us.

That is very much the modern judges' view of their role.
However, I believe that parliament should make the law and not judges. That way I can vote for MPs with different views.

prosaver

this is funny click on the vid
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH

CLAPTON wrote: »

That is very much the modern judges' view of their role.
However, I believe that parliament should make the law and not judges. That way I can vote for MPs with different views.

Parliament does of course "make" the law in terms of issuing statutes but not all elements of English law are codified and much is built on the development of centuries old common law within the courts where determinations of judges are incorporated as precedent into future law.

This is not of course not something that has increased in modern times, quite the opposite - a few hundred years ago most law was common law developed by judges - and today the proportion of law written by parliament via statutes has never been higher.

But as most statutory laws are incredibly complex, often poorly worded leaving ambiguity, and rarely future proofed for unforeseen developments, even when a law has been written by parliament the courts then determine the limitations of those laws over time and such determinations in effect become part of the law.

This is not a modern judge's view of their role - it's how the law has always worked - a combination of statutory and common law interpreted by the courts and evolving through legal challenge and precedent.

Kohoutek

CLAPTON wrote: »

if you genuinely believe you have more control over ECJ judges that you do over UK law as determined by parliament, then it makes sense for you to vote for the protectionist and racist EU.
I am very conscious that I haven't vote for many of the laws that government me nor do I have effective way of changing them, which is why I voted to leave the EU.

What UK laws in particular did you vote for?

Thrugelmir

HornetSaver wrote: »

On the contrary. The early outcomes we are seeing as a result of Brexit, and perhaps more to the point the extent to which they are being brushed off, do confirm that Remainers were right about at least one thing.

Those who wanted Brexit really did not care about what it would cost.

Perhaps there was also huge complacency as to the state of the UK economy by remainers. I'm alright jack being a constant theme. Little to be seen of we're all in this together spirit. Which unfortunately reflects the changed culture in this country. An economy relies on a spend today pay back back tomorrow economy. Was always going to hit the buffers at some point in time. Brexit merely focused attention fully onto the UK. Where it will remain until a fresh news story comes along.