Brexiters should be 'Ashamed of the harm to come"

padington

Brexit starts tomorrow apparently with the announcement of the 'great repeal bill' followed by a snap election ( I would imagine, if not enough MP's support it).

pop_gun

The fact is the major European players didn't want us to join in the first place. We cajoled them into becoming members. Now that we're leaving, Europe can't wait to see us out the door. In 40 odd years we haven't managed to convince Europe we're worth keeping.

The EU is a political and economic construct designed to be a bulwark against the hegemony of the U.S. and the tiger economies of the east. Britain can only face the world alone if joins another trading block or has the backing of the last remaining superpower.

Britain going it alone is a fiction promoted by those who still harbour thoughts, about the days of empire.

Thrugelmir

padington wrote: »

Brexit starts tomorrow apparently with the announcement of the 'great repeal bill' followed by a snap election ( I would imagine, if not enough MP's support it).

Why an election? Too much serious business to be getting on with. Time to move away from Punch and Judy politics. Corbyn and Sturgeon need time to reflect on their policies anyway.

Conrad

UK manufacturing growth 'best for two years'
'Upward surprise'
"The weak sterling exchange rate remained the prime growth engine, driving higher new orders from Asia, Europe, the US and a number of emerging markets," said IHS Markit senior economist Rob Dobson.
"The domestic market is also still supportive of growth, especially for consumer goods."
Higher import costs as a result of the exchange rate had led to a further "substantial" increase in average purchase prices, with manufacturers passing on part of the rise to customers in the form of higher charges, the survey found.
However, the resultant inflation was now easing, said Mr Dobson. "It looks as if the recent surge in inflation may not quite reach the peaks of previous bouts such as in 2008 and 2010-11."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37539019

mrginge

padington wrote: »

Brexit starts tomorrow apparently with the announcement of the 'great repeal bill' followed by a snap election ( I would imagine, if not enough MP's support it).

There's not going to be a snap election.

Malthusian

pop_gun wrote: »

The EU is a political and economic construct designed to be a bulwark against the hegemony of the U.S. and the tiger economies of the east. Britain can only face the world alone if joins another trading block or has the backing of the last remaining superpower.

The fact that the EU and its hangers-on view the tiger economies as enemies to be "stood against" rather than opportunities and trading partners is exactly why Leaving was the best political decision in a generation.

pop_gun

Malthusian wrote: »

The fact that the EU and its hangers-on view the tiger economies as enemies to be "stood against" rather than opportunities and trading partners is exactly why Leaving was the best political decision in a generation.

You're seeing this from the wrong perspective and lets leave words like "enemies" in the playground where they belong.

We can trade with anyone, but the question is whether to our benefit, mutual benefit or their benefit. The single market benefited us. We know this as we have a huge trade deficit with the EU.
While things stood as the EEC, we were more or less happy. As soon as the EU came about, we became dissatisfied with the direction Europe was heading in.
But the EU had to form as other economic trading blocks and global powers were able to undermine the EEC, by doing deals with individual European countries. For instance Germany has an agreement to sell steel to France and Switzerland. But along comes China who offers less than the deal Germany has with it's European countrtparts, but sweetens the negotiations by offering German car manufacturers greater access to Chinese markets.
France and Switzerland lose out and refuse to budge on other trade deals of interest to Germany.

This is why the best interest of any one country has to be weighed against the interests of all EU countries.

Britain will trade with the rest of the world but I suspect on conditions that aren't favourable to us in the mid to long term.

CLAPTON

pop_gun wrote: »

Britain will trade with the rest of the world but I suspect on conditions that aren't favourable to us in the mid to long term.

why would two parties trade with each other if both were not gettting an advantage?

pop_gun

CLAPTON wrote: »

why would two parties trade with each other if both were not gettting an advantage?

Why would Britain contunue to trade with the EU despite (according to brexiteers) it not being in their self interest?

Among equals we compromise to find what is best for ourselves. Or at least what's deemed to be.

AnotherJoe

pop_gun wrote: »

We can trade with anyone, but the question is whether to our benefit, mutual benefit or their benefit. The single market benefited us. We know this as we have a huge trade deficit with the EU.

Surely if we have a huge trade deficit its the opposite, it didn't benefit us?