Brexiters should be 'Ashamed of the harm to come"

bugslet

kabayiri wrote: »

People should not feel guilty as to how they voted. Most will have tried to make the best decision they could at the time.

I don't get this repentant theme, perhaps they will start selling sack cloth and ashes kits.

If you don't vote you are castigated. So people turn out to vote and what do we do? Castigate a large number of them.

If you don't believe in referendums, then don't vote for a party offering a major referendum ! :rotfl:

I don't mind what decision anyone makes, but to vote a certain way and then complain that you got what you voted for, is frankly bonkers.

Everyone new that it was a close result, even if it was expected that it would a Remain win by a small margin.

Running_Horse

Are we all feeling ashamed about rising tourist income?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/brexit-boost-british-tourism-visitors-8898723

Conrad

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/services-power-uk-economy-in-wake-of-referendum-a7338901.html



ONS and others have (yet again) revised their numbers up, lol.


Experts.... I told you the UK's safe haven effect would be boosted by the prospect of Brexit. UK business wont be going anywhere - wait and see what happens when corporation tax is reduced

Mortgagefreeman

Conrad wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/services-power-uk-economy-in-wake-of-referendum-a7338901.html



ONS and others have (yet again) revised their numbers up, lol.


Experts.... I told you the UK's safe haven effect would be boosted by the prospect of Brexit. UK business wont be going anywhere - wait and see what happens when corporation tax is reduced

Poor old HAMISH. Breathtakingly wrong again.:rotfl:

BobQ

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

Poor old HAMISH. Breathtakingly wrong again.:rotfl:

Project Fear= Project Porkies

We have not left the EU yet, when we do the story may be different depending on the terms of leaving.

The Leave campaign constantly used the lie of £350m for the NHS

The Leave campaign said that the jobs would not be affected by leaving, yet Nissan are now threatening to build their next models in the EU not UK. That is not Fear spread to influence the vote: it is a statement of intent which will seriously affect the people and businesses of Sunderland.

The immediate impact on the economy that some feared has not yet happened but the impact cannot be judged by newspaper headlines of three months of data.

The impact will be a mixture of positive and negative investment decisions. Some firms are seeing sales increase and are making investment decisions, others are holding off from investments awaiting news of the deal. It is the net long term impact that will determine if Brexit has a positive or negative affect, not short term triumphalism about the immediate aftermath.

Mortgagefreeman

BobQ wrote: »

The Leave campaign constantly used the lie of £350m for the NHS

I wouldn't disagree with that. However the remain campaign told porkie after porkie. If you wanted a ratio of lies it would probably be 20 of remain (project fear)lies to 1 of Brexits. Hence my sig.

The UK will become a far more prosperous Nation as Europe crumbles.

leveller2911

BobQ wrote: »

We have not left the EU yet, when we do the story may be different depending on the terms of leaving.

True but we were told there would be an "emergency budget" right after the vote which didn't happen did it. We were told income tax would rise, it hasn't , we were told funding for the NHS would be cut even more than it already has, it wasn't.. Despite being told these things would happen straight after the brexit vote ,they didn't.........

The Leave campaign constantly used the lie of £350m for the NHS

I Don't disgaree with you Bob but when this was originally said the actual wording I saw was "we would save £350 million which would leave more money for the NHS". The devil, as always is in the detail.

The Leave campaign said that the jobs would not be affected by leaving, yet Nissan are now threatening to build their next models in the EU not UK. That is not Fear spread to influence the vote: it is a statement of intent which will seriously affect the people and businesses of Sunderland.

Oh come off it Bob, threateneing something is not the same as actually doing it. How about Honda who have pedged to increase their investment in the UK post Brexit and There are plenty of other companies too. Did being a member of the EU have an effect on Fords decision to move its Transit production to Turkey which is outside the EU and didn't the EU give Turkey a loan to help the transition?. That really helped the UK didn't it .

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-3791684/Built-Britain-car-conquer-America-Brexit-boost-Honda-makes-UK-global-hub.html

Point being that staying a member of the EU guarantees nothing either.

The immediate impact on the economy that some feared has not yet happened but the impact cannot be judged by newspaper headlines of three months of data.

I agree with you there however if the UK shows a downturn for 3 months that won't stop you or Hamish from saying "we told you so"..

The impact will be a mixture of positive and negative investment decisions. Some firms are seeing sales increase and are making investment decisions, others are holding off from investments awaiting news of the deal. It is the net long term impact that will determine if Brexit has a positive or negative affect, not short term triumphalism about the immediate aftermath.

Hope you will remember that if/when the UK economy shows signs of short term stagnation. You need to be a little more positive Bob and join us pro world/anti EU Brexit voters in making the UK a winner again with a prospect of a better long term future for our kids .

HornetSaver

I'd be lying if I said I'm relaxed about Brexit (still stand by my sig, noting that we haven't even triggered article 50 let alone having any real idea about what shape Brexit will take). But given that we are going to have a Tory government for at least the next nine years, I think Hammond is the least-worst chancellor we could have for the task at hand.

As for the motives of those who voted Brexit, putting aside the small minority whose motivations were racist, I think people on both sides genuinely believed that their vote was best for the country. I remain of the opinion that the weaker argument won, but that's democracy, and now that the decision has been taken I'm hoping against hope that I was wrong.

Thrugelmir

HornetSaver wrote: »

I'd be lying if I said I'm relaxed about Brexit (still stand by my sig,)

Care to share the economic success of the EU over recent years?

Recessions are a fact of life. Any number of factors could trigger one.

Printing money and buying bonds benefits only help those with money already. It's not going to create jobs. Politics across is Europe is moving to the extremes. All rather uncomfortable. Not a way of creating unity.

Herzlos

leveller2911 wrote: »

True but we were told there would be an "emergency budget" right after the vote which didn't happen did it. We were told income tax would rise, it hasn't , we were told funding for the NHS would be cut even more than it already has, it wasn't.. Despite being told these things would happen straight after the brexit vote ,they didn't.........

We were also told that article 50 would be invoked the day after the vote, which didn't happen. I think we'll only start to see interesting things happen when A50 is triggered, though I don't think many of them will be good.