An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

TrickyTree83

mrginge wrote: »

The post you quoted didn't make any reference to corbyn's policies.

But apparently you want to mention that no-one knows what these policies are as being some kind of defence of the man. How bizarre!

The secret to winning an election - don't tell the people who vote what your policies are. Nice one.

I've looked at the policies.

They all require spending. They can't tell you where it'll come from so you have to assume they'll borrow. The borrowing would run into the £billions.

We can't balance the books as it is, and with Brexit coming we'll possibly have to cut further before we increase our trade with the rest of the world and get our post-Brexit ducks in a row. So yes I've looked at the policies, they're nuts, socialist ideals that the children of our children will end up paying for when it all eventually goes wrong.

So no. Unless you've found some magic money trees, or the Falklands has untold amounts of oil so that we can build a sovereign wealth fund for the national investment bank and help use all that to fund his policies, none of them will work without making our current deficit worse, which is borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. It doesn't solve anything, it just delays the problem and makes the eventual problem even bigger than it is already.

ruggedtoast

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I've looked at the policies.

They all require spending. They can't tell you where it'll come from so you have to assume they'll borrow. The borrowing would run into the £billions.

We can't balance the books as it is, and with Brexit coming we'll possibly have to cut further before we increase our trade with the rest of the world and get our post-Brexit ducks in a row. So yes I've looked at the policies, they're nuts, socialist ideals that the children of our children will end up paying for when it all eventually goes wrong.

So no. Unless you've found some magic money trees, or the Falklands has untold amounts of oil so that we can build a sovereign wealth fund for the national investment bank and help use all that to fund his policies, none of them will work without making our current deficit worse, which is borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. It doesn't solve anything, it just delays the problem and makes the eventual problem even bigger than it is already.

Well this is rich.

A Right Wing boomer, a member of The Handout Generation, which has loaded trillions of pounds worth of debt on the heads of the young to fund their own public service giveaways, house price booms, free house handouts, unfunded pension liabilties, unlimited healthcare, free tv licenses, and unlimited bus travel is criticizing policies designed to redress this imbalance and move back to sustainable investment.

Investment in people and infrastructure, rather than a fragile system of compound debt that creates more losers every day, like a twisted game of economic musical chairs.

Investment that creates jobs.

Investment in education that creates opportunity.

But that would be anathema to you, because all you have ever grown to expect is the country to be dismantled around you, for you to receive a nice handout in return, and then for some young family to have to rent money from you to buy back a small piece of what you have taken.

Right wing boomers ranting about paying their way and standing on their own two feet. What an absolute farce. Is there any group of people in history who have less of an idea of what this actually means?

mrginge

i'm sure I read a comment from trickytree that stated they were at school in the 90s.

A real proper hardcore boomer then lol.

TrickyTree83

mrginge wrote: »

i'm sure I read a comment from trickytree that stated they were at school in the 90s.

A real proper hardcore boomer then lol.

Precisely.

I'm a narrative destroyer, and they hate that. Sends them into a blind panic.

I'm 33.

I believe in personal responsibility.

Meritocracy.

Balanced budgets in the home and the state.

Ambition, determination, application and hard bloody work. I dare say that the majority of the UK populace shares these attributes.

I come from a working class background. I went to University, doing a degree that gives you basically nothing (BEng Computer Engineering), about as much use as a chocolate fireguard, after that I worked in a bookies and a petrol station to save up enough money to do the vocational qualification that got me the job I wanted. Worked hard, continued to do my certifications and ended up where I wanted to be.

I'm now married (to a Ukrainian, am I xenophobic?), I speak Russian, I live in a large 4 bed detached new build on a middle class estate surrounded by middle class people.

Edit: Oh and I drive an MG ZR 03 plate, hardly a middle class stereotype is it, I don't care since I'm working towards owning such nice things to forge a nice life for myself the wife and the offspring. It's all about personal choices and responsibility for those choices, I've been down and out and on the JSA. I've lived behind a chip shop in the darkest places. As Michael Jackson once said, I took a look in the mirror and decided to make a change. I've been on that course ever since, and looking back it's really a doddle to climb the ladder if you pull your finger out.

I was given nothing except my upbringing by my parents (working class, cleaner & prison officer), my education and my health. I made the most of it.

So should others.

ruggedtoast

Boomerism is not just about age.

mrginge

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Precisely.

I'm a narrative destroyer, and they hate that. Sends them into a blind panic.

I'm 33.

I believe in personal responsibility.

Meritocracy.

Balanced budgets in the home and the state.

Ambition, determination, application and hard bloody work. I dare say that the majority of the UK populace shares these attributes.

I come from a working class background. I went to University, doing a degree that gives you basically nothing (BEng Computer Engineering), about as much use as a chocolate fireguard, after that I worked in a bookies and a petrol station to save up enough money to do the vocational qualification that got me the job I wanted. Worked hard, continued to do my certifications and ended up where I wanted to be.

You need to hand that free bus pass back in you money grabbing wealth hoarder.

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Boomerism is not just about age.

Am I really a boomer?

I would class myself as an example of the social mobility you claim does not exist.

Only it does, if you're not !!!!less and lazy.

westernpromise

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Precisely.

I'm a narrative destroyer, and they hate that. Sends them into a blind panic.

I'm 33.

I believe in personal responsibility.

Meritocracy.

Balanced budgets in the home and the state.

Ambition, determination, application and hard bloody work. I dare say that the majority of the UK populace shares these attributes.

I come from a working class background. I went to University, doing a degree that gives you basically nothing (BEng Computer Engineering), about as much use as a chocolate fireguard, after that I worked in a bookies and a petrol station to save up enough money to do the vocational qualification that got me the job I wanted. Worked hard, continued to do my certifications and ended up where I wanted to be.

I'm now married (to a Ukrainian, am I xenophobic?), I speak Russian, I live in a large 4 bed detached new build on a middle class estate surrounded by middle class people.

Edit: Oh and I drive an MG ZR 03 plate, hardly a middle class stereotype is it, I don't care since I'm working towards owning such nice things to forge a nice life for myself the wife and the offspring. It's all about personal choices and responsibility for those choices, I've been down and out and on the JSA. I've lived behind a chip shop in the darkest places. As Michael Jackson once said, I took a look in the mirror and decided to make a change. I've been on that course ever since, and looking back it's really a doddle to climb the ladder if you pull your finger out.

I was given nothing except my upbringing by my parents (working class, cleaner & prison officer), my education and my health. I made the most of it.

So should others.

And Labour utterly, utterly hates you. You are loathed by a party that congratulates itself on what a great party it is and that aspires to govern.

TrickyTree83

westernpromise wrote: »

And Labour utterly, utterly hates you. You are loathed by a party that congratulates itself on what a great party it is and that aspires to govern.

My old man was Labour his whole life, he's 67 and will never vote for them while Corbyn is in charge.

His working life:

- Royal Military Police since age 16, left in his 30's
- Logistics Supervisor at rope & twine Nottingham for ~ 10 years
- Prison Service for the remainder of his working life. Was a Prison Officers Association (their trade union) rep for most of that time. Fighting the management and putting it to the man.

He hates what Labour has become. And I would have classed my old man as what core Labour voters were all about. Maybe not the membership, he's never been a Labour party member. But certainly a stereotypical Labour voter.

And on the point of Labour hating me, as a statistic I'd say yes you're right.

They claim to want to help social mobility, and then want to tax you to eye watering levels once you achieve it. And people like RT wonder why people like myself who previously voted along Lib Dem and Labour lines turn away from them.

I wouldn't class myself as right wing, I like the NHS, tax me for it! I like the idea of a welfare system safety net for people (I disagree with the current set up though!), tax me for it! I have as many friends who are immigrants as those who are born here.

But pushing the tax bands higher, and higher and higher to pay for people who don't take responsibility for their actions only serves to alienate those that Labour should be holding up as examples of (allegedly) Labour policy success.

ruggedtoast

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Am I really a boomer?

I would class myself as an example of the social mobility you claim does not exist.

Only it does, if you're not !!!!less and lazy.

You are an unwitting tool of a neoliberal corporate imperialism that benefits the few and exploits the many.

An unwitting tool, but a tool nonetheless.