An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

ruggedtoast

westernpromise wrote: »

And Labour utterly, utterly hates you. You are loathed by a party that congratulates itself on what a great party it is and that aspires to govern.

And talking of tools...
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TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

You are an unwitting tool of a neoliberal corporate imperialism that benefits the few and exploits the many.

An unwitting tool, but a tool nonetheless.

So whenever you, Jeremy or anyone else associated with Momentum or Corbyn's Labour talk about social mobility they are in fact lying through their ar*e are they?

Since to actually achieve it is to be the enemy, but militating on behalf of it as a stated aim is the only morally acceptable position to take. Right?

westernpromise

ruggedtoast wrote: »

You are an unwitting tool of a neoliberal corporate imperialism that benefits the few and exploits the many.

An unwitting tool, but a tool nonetheless.

So as well as Tony Blair wasn't a Labour PM and not all Labour Party supporters are Labour Party supporters, toastie's latest bit of doublethink is that not all boomers are boomers.

Classic, fairyland stuff.

mwpt

ruggedtoast wrote: »

You are an unwitting tool of a neoliberal corporate imperialism that benefits the few and exploits the many.

Read that sentence back to yourself please.

You are part of a recurring meme the world over that deals in rhetoric and diatribe but in the end always causes more misery to humans than you think you are solving. Sometimes it causes almost mind blowing amounts of misery.

ruggedtoast

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

So whenever you, Jeremy or anyone else associated with Momentum or Corbyn's Labour talk about social mobility they are in fact lying through their ar*e are they?

Since to actually achieve it is to be the enemy, but militating on behalf of it as a stated aim is the only morally acceptable position to take. Right?

Social mobility is at the lowest measurable point it has ever been.

A child born into a low income, low educational attainment family, is more likely now to progress irrevocably into adulthood in exactly the same socioeconomic condition than ever before.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11627719/Social-mobility-has-come-to-a-halt.html

The facts as they stand, are that Conservatism is achieving a lot of things, but there are two things at which it is a demonstrable failure:

- Rewarding hard work with a way out of poverty
- Lifting people out of poverty who are otherwise unable to do so themselves

The fact that it is unable to do one or other of these two things is bad enough. The fact that it is unable to do either is unacceptable.

I do not wish to live in a country in which 7% of people enjoy a private school education and then go on to fill 97% of the top jobs.

That is not a sign that something is working, it is a sign that something is broken.

The fact that you feel that because this system has worked for you it should continue to be foisted on a majority to whom it fails points more to your lack of understanding at best, or your complete lack of compassion at worst.

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Social mobility is at the lowest measurable point it has ever been.

A child born into a low income, low educational attainment family, is more likely now to progress irrevocably into adulthood in exactly the same socioeconomic condition than ever before.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11627719/Social-mobility-has-come-to-a-halt.html

The facts as they stand, are that Conservatism is achieving a lot of things, but there are two things at which it is a demonstrable failure:

- Rewarding hard work with a way out of poverty
- Lifting people out of poverty who are otherwise unable to do so themselves

The fact that it is unable to do one or other of these two things is bad enough. The fact that it is unable to do either is unacceptable.

I do not wish to live in a country in which 7% of people enjoy a private school education and then go on to fill 97% of the top jobs.

That is not a sign that something is working, it is a sign that something is broken.

The fact that you feel that because this system has worked for you it should continue to be foisted on a majority to whom it fails points more to your lack of understanding at best, or your complete lack of compassion at worst.

Rubbish.

I understand fully what it takes to actually achieve the social mobility you speak of.

I've had plenty of opportunities to move to London and earn a wedge, and also lose most of that to the higher living costs or face a commute. Right now I work from home, I have a wage that cannot be bettered unless I move to London, and I have a lower cost of living because of that.

Peoples personal choices. Their lack of personal responsibility and this constant dripping of legitimising the perception of victimisation from the left tells people that opportunity should be handed to them on a plate, by the state, and not through their own endeavour.

I've been trying to tell this to my cousin recently. He's in a job he hates on a zero hours contract. No one is going to change that for him, no matter what Jeremy Corbyn or you might say. He's going to have to change that himself, save up his money, take some training, become a more attractive employee. Because the world in which we live is one where we sell our time and our skills to our employers. If you have no skills then you're more replaceable than those who do, the more skills you have the more you're a valuable commodity in the employment market. That's a personal choice people make. If they choose not to make it, how does that mean that social mobility doesn't work?

ruggedtoast

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Rubbish.

I understand fully what it takes to actually achieve the social mobility you speak of.

I've had plenty of opportunities to move to London and earn a wedge, and also lose most of that to the higher living costs or face a commute. Right now I work from home, I have a wage that cannot be bettered unless I move to London, and I have a lower cost of living because of that.

Peoples personal choices. Their lack of personal responsibility and this constant dripping of legitimising the perception of victimisation from the left tells people that opportunity should be handed to them on a plate, by the state, and not through their own endeavour.

I've been trying to tell this to my cousin recently. He's in a job he hates on a zero hours contract. No one is going to change that for him, no matter what Jeremy Corbyn or you might say. He's going to have to change that himself, save up his money, take some training, become a more attractive employee. Because the world in which we live is one where we sell our time and our skills to our employers. If you have no skills then you're more replaceable than those who do, the more skills you have the more you're a valuable commodity in the employment market. That's a personal choice people make. If they choose not to make it, how does that mean that social mobility doesn't work?

Bully for you

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mrginge

ruggedtoast wrote: »

That is not a sign that something is working, it is a sign that something is broken.

Ok I think we need to move away from the rhetoric and down to the actual detail of how this social inequality is going to be addressed. Let's start with a simple but fairly key issue -

What is Jeremy's policy on income tax rates and bands.

ruggedtoast

mrginge wrote: »

Ok I think we need to move away from the rhetoric and down to the actual detail of how this social inequality is going to be addressed. Let's start with a simple but fairly key issue -

What is Jeremy's policy on income tax rates and bands.

You're on the wrong thread. You are looking for the Corbynomics thread.

This is the evening with Jeremy thread, although the answer to your question is in here.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

You're on the wrong thread. You are looking for the Corbynomics thread.

This is the evening with Jeremy thread, although the answer to your question is in here.

oh dear

as usual, toxic toastie refuses to discuss any actual positive policies

just the usual hate filled nonsense