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seven-day-weekend

ukcarper wrote: »

That is not true it's just your biased opinion. Many comps get very good results just look up results.

I didn't say that some Comps didn't do well. I just happen to believe that some of the academically brightest children could do better at a Grammar School.

ukcarper

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

I didn't say that some Comps didn't do well. I just happen to believe that some of the academically brightest children could do better at a Grammar School.

The might but they can and do do well in comps, the problem is what happens the the majority who don't go they are not all disruptive pupils who don't want to learn and those who do want to learn will suffer. The object should be to improve all schools.

seven-day-weekend

ukcarper wrote: »

The might but they can and do do well in comps, the problem is what happens the the majority who don't go they are not all disruptive pupils who don't want to learn and those who do want to learn will suffer. The object should be to improve all schools.

I agree, but why can't we have Grammar Schools as well?

If a child has talent in singing, we can coach them in that, if they are good footballers they can be coached in that, why is it considered so bad to also bring out the best in a 'brainy' child?

mrginge

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

I agree, but why can't we have Grammar Schools as well?

If a child has talent in singing, we can coach them in that, if they are good footballers they can be coached in that, why is it considered so bad to also bring out the best in a 'brainy' child?

schools teach a range of subjects. If a child excels at art but struggles at maths then where do they sit on your 'brainy' scale.

Are they any more or less brainy than the child who is great at maths but can't draw for toffee?

seven-day-weekend

mrginge wrote: »

schools teach a range of subjects. If a child excels at art but struggles at maths then where do they sit on your 'brainy' scale.

Are they any more or less brainy than the child who is great at maths but can't draw for toffee?

Different types of talent.

The Maths wizard will do better at a Grammar School where the education is more towards the academic.

The Artist's skills would actually be better drawn out at a specialist school that concentrated on Art.

I'm a great believer in educating children according to their strengths.

ukcarper

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

Different types of talent.

The Maths wizard will do better at a Grammar School where the education is more towards the academic.

The Artist's skills would actually be better drawn out at a specialist school that concentrated on Art.

I'm a great believer in educating children according to their strengths.

There is no guarantee that maths wizard will get into the grammar school.

Then you should be in favour of good comps because that is what they do. I don't see any need for grammar schools if the comps are good enough, if grammar schools become more common the remaining schools will suffer.

seven-day-weekend

ukcarper wrote: »

There is no guarantee that maths wizard will get into the grammar school.

Then you should be in favour of good comps because that is what they do. I don't see any need for grammar schools if the comps are good enough, if grammar schools become more common the remaining schools will suffer.

I don't see why that should be the case. Why can't you have two good schools in a neighbourhood?

ukcarper

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

I don't see why that should be the case. Why can't you have two good schools in a neighbourhood?

It doesn't have to be but resources will de diverted and we will gradually go back to the sixties when a test at 11 determined your future for the worse in most cases.

mrginge

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

Different types of talent.

The Maths wizard will do better at a Grammar School where the education is more towards the academic.

The Artist's skills would actually be better drawn out at a specialist school that concentrated on Art.

I'm a great believer in educating children according to their strengths.

and if a third child is great at science but no use at maths or art? Where do they go?
Why is Art not 'academic'? Don't grammar schools teach Art?
Are you saying we should have specialist schools for all sorts of different subjects and they don't need to bother teaching anything else?

Why is a streamed comprehensive system, where children are mixed together, but get the specific level of education appropriate for their skills not acceptable?

Why does the child who passes the selection exam by one mark deserve a grammar school, while the child who fails it by one mark deserve to be dumped with those who didn't even bother to take the exam.

seven-day-weekend

Specialist schools and comps so that there is more choice, every school of course teaches the national Curriculum but some specialise in certain stuff, a bit like you get at Stage Schools or Choir School at the moment.