An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

Moby

westernpromise wrote: »

Labour is heading for yet another lovely HAL9000 moment on this when two of its instinctive bigotries collide.

Bigotry #1 is that ethnic minorities are disadvantaged. Bigotry #2 is that grammar schools are blagged by white middle class children who've been tutored.

Yet take a walk round Henrietta Barnett or QE Boys in Barnet and you barely see a white face. Far from Toastie's 1916 prejudice about Rupert and Camilla, these days it's strictly Rajesh and Sunita.

Of course Labour wants to farm the poor for their votes by keeping them stupid, so between this and sucking up to the teaching unions it is clear that complacent mediocrity is the Labour plan for education.

Excellent stuff.

....and your contempt for equality and fairness is the biggest bigotry of all.

Moby

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I see no problem in running a parallel system which recognises academic achievement over and above the norm and produces the next generation of bright superstars.

The idea of sticking everyone in together just for the sake of it sounds as pragmatic and productive as telling every child they're a winner on sports day.

You continually ignore the fact that streaming according to ability takes place in the comprehensive system.

Moby

Fella wrote: »

Why are you & various other's putting those words into his mouth? He didn't say that. What he said was:

"I was sat next to people with juvenile records, drug users, messers and layabouts. Copying your work, frequently asking you what the work is and how to do it and generally being disruptive.

That drags people down. You're being naive to ignore it."



That is simple unarguable fact & if you or anyone else can't see it then either you're simply pushing an agenda or you were never bright enough at school to be hampered by all the kids who were bored sh*tless by stuff they didn't understand & couldn't do & therefore chose to muck about.

Nobody ever said it's not possible to achieve despite those factors.

Its called an education in real life. Also the grammar system increases the likelihood of dead end Secondary Moderns with even more victims.

wintersunshine

I hope this is a wake up call for the labour party and people like RToast. This is what REAL Tories look like - they don't look like Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. They look like Thatcher and May.

I hope with all my heart that there is another successful attempt to get rid of Corbyn before 2020, with better candidates that could win an election.

Britain needs strong a centre left party In fact, come back Tony please!

westernpromise

Moby wrote: »

....and your contempt for equality and fairness is the biggest bigotry of all.

You can have equality OR you can have fairness. Labour's failure to understand this is why is keeps losing elections.

westernpromise

michaels wrote: »

All those kids were at my school although not in my maths set but I sat with them in woodwork and sewing and played football and rugby with them. Didn't stop me from getting a 2:1 from Cambridge. Does mean I have some understanding of what life is like on £14k pa f you get given enough hours on the food packing line to earn that.

So as grammars are completely useless and make no difference, clearly it can't matter to you or anyone else if they are brought back, can it? So what's your problem with them? Nobody's getting anything out of them that the magnificent local comp doesn't provide.

CLAPTON

michaels wrote: »

All those kids were at my school although not in my maths set but I sat with them in woodwork and sewing and played football and rugby with them. Didn't stop me from getting a 2:1 from Cambridge. Does mean I have some understanding of what life is like on £14k pa f you get given enough hours on the food packing line to earn that.

maybe you would have got a first instead?

Moby

westernpromise wrote: »

You can have equality OR you can have fairness. Labour's failure to understand this is why is keeps losing elections.

No......... you strive for equality of opportunity. You said you were centrist. That's a centrist view surely? The tory view is to promote the interests of the more academically able through selection which then separates peers. The Labour view is to promote the opportunities of everyone. The best are not 'dragged down' and are still able to make the most of their talents through streaming but no-one is left behind and made to feel second class. Do you seriously think the tories care about those in the secondary modern as much as those who achieved selection?

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

No......... you strive for equality of opportunity. You said you were centrist. That's a centrist view surely? The tory view is to promote the interests of the more academically able through selection which then separates peers. The Labour view is to promote the opportunities of everyone. The best are not 'dragged down' and are still able to make the most of their talents through streaming but no-one is left behind and made to feel second class. Do you seriously think the tories care about those in the secondary modern as much as those who achieved selection?

what does 'equality of opportunity ' mean?
how does it show itself?
how does it affect how we spend taxpayer money
what laws do we need to ensure this desirable end?

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

what does 'equality of opportunity ' mean?
how does it show itself?
how does it affect how we spend taxpayer money
what laws do we need to ensure this desirable end?

Read the Labour manifesto at the last election and that will help you understand;)