An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

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BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

We have grammars here on The Wirral. We went to visit a couple. We didn't like them at all. I don't think grammars are what most parents would want for their kids these days.

what didn't you like about them?

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I asked the question:

Why deny others the opportunity to excel outside of that rigid paradigm?

All you've said (in summation) is that the state schools as they currently are allow people to excel enough. And that social cohesion is as important. I just disagree with lumping everyone in together, people are not equal and those to can thrive should be allowed to do so. If that means not fitting into the mould of a top down state controlled model then I'm fine with that and I would actively encourage it, even if it meant my kids didn't get the chance. It's not right to deny others the opportunity to excel.

You're saying children don't thrive and excel in mixed ability schools which is just stupid as it goes against all the evidence.

Kids do excel in mixed ability schools - Oxbridge is full of them.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I asked the question:

Why deny others the opportunity to excel outside of that rigid paradigm?

If you think this is an equal playing field you are deluded. Private primary is the only way to go plus tutors from about age 8.

If you think working class parents can afford to compete - you are again deluded.

Here on The Wirral grammar schools are just "free" private schools for the very well off. Very MSE no doubt, but fair - never.

LHW99

There is the aspect that it seems OK to have 'specialist' sports, music, technology etc schools but rarely do we seem to find specialist maths or language schools (for the 11-16 ages) where all children are accepted, but they aim to develop those who perahps have little talent in practical subjects but are very good at abstract thought.

CLAPTON

LHW99 wrote: »

There is the aspect that it seems OK to have 'specialist' sports, music, technology etc schools but rarely do we seem to find specialist maths or language schools (for the 11-16 ages) where all children are accepted, but they aim to develop those who perahps have little talent in practical subjects but are very good at abstract thought.

well, all (most) schools teach the national curriculum, so being a 'specialist' school means virtual nothing : it was simply a device to get a few extra bob in funding and (often) a few jollies for the staff.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

I feel like our country is going backwards since the Tories came to power in 2015. It's like having an out-of-body experience. We're out of the EU, we're bringing back Grammar schools - it's like living in the 50s.

I rue the day when the Trade Unions picked Ed Miliband over David. How different would our lives be now? We'd be in the EU, we wouldn't be looking at the daft extension of grammars.

Sad sad times. Not quite as bad as under Thatcher but there is plenty of time yet.

Fella

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

You're saying children don't thrive and excel in mixed ability schools which is just stupid as it goes against all the evidence.

Kids do excel in mixed ability schools - Oxbridge is full of them.

Why are you & various other's putting those words into his mouth? He didn't say that. What he said was:

"I was sat next to people with juvenile records, drug users, messers and layabouts. Copying your work, frequently asking you what the work is and how to do it and generally being disruptive.

That drags people down. You're being naive to ignore it."



That is simple unarguable fact & if you or anyone else can't see it then either you're simply pushing an agenda or you were never bright enough at school to be hampered by all the kids who were bored sh*tless by stuff they didn't understand & couldn't do & therefore chose to muck about.

Nobody ever said it's not possible to achieve despite those factors.

westernpromise

setmefree2 wrote: »

Well my kids aren't much younger than your sister at nearly 23 and 20 and they both got to top universities from mixed ability schools as did all their friends - including the disadvantaged.

One of my friend's kids failed the 11+ for Tiffin in Kingston and had to do to the "normal" state school - he got 10 A*s and an A at GCSE. What does that tell you?



All state schools in London use setting. There is no need to open up a totally separate school to house the top sets.

Unfortunately nobody goes to the average state school. They go to the one they're given.

michaels

Fella wrote: »

Why are you & various other's putting those words into his mouth? He didn't say that. What he said was:

"I was sat next to people with juvenile records, drug users, messers and layabouts. Copying your work, frequently asking you what the work is and how to do it and generally being disruptive.

That drags people down. You're being naive to ignore it."



That is simple unarguable fact & if you or anyone else can't see it then either you're simply pushing an agenda or you were never bright enough at school to be hampered by all the kids who were bored sh*tless by stuff they didn't understand & couldn't do & therefore chose to muck about.

Nobody ever said it's not possible to achieve despite those factors.

All those kids were at my school although not in my maths set but I sat with them in woodwork and sewing and played football and rugby with them. Didn't stop me from getting a 2:1 from Cambridge. Does mean I have some understanding of what life is like on £14k pa f you get given enough hours on the food packing line to earn that.

posh*spice

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

We have grammars here on The Wirral. We went to visit a couple. We didn't like them at all. I don't think grammars are what most parents would want for their kids these days.

Tbh if you put a quota of kids in a school on free school meals there is no way middle class parents will be queing up to go there (which is what May is suggesting).... Dream on love... Selection by post code :T