An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

setmefree2

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

And that would require people to purchase a house in London.

Which not everyone can afford.

They are then priced out of good education for their children.

The current system has evolved into a similar system to grammar school acceptance by means of how much you can afford to pay.

Not at all. There are so many housing estates in London that it would be impossible not to have a mixed intake. The schools work for everyone.

TrickyTree83

setmefree2 wrote: »

Not at all. There are so many housing estates in London that it would be impossible not to have a mixed intake. The schools work for everyone.

As someone who was in years 10, 11, 12 and 13 in a school that was defined as failing the year I left I disagree with everything you've said.

Had I been given the opportunity to go to a better school because of my ability I would have jumped at the chance. Instead I was sat next to people with juvenile records, drug users, messers and layabouts. Copying your work, frequently asking you what the work is and how to do it and generally being disruptive.

That drags people down. You're being naive to ignore it.

At least having grammar schools will give some children the opportunity to escape that system.

People are not equal to one another. The sooner we accept that truth as a society the better we'll be able to help those who are not academic.

i.e. if your disruptive pupil hates biology but loves plumbing, change the curriculum they follow to suit their interests and needs.

We should be recognising every child's potential, not putting square pegs in round holes in a top down system and hoping it'll eventually work out.

ruggedtoast

bobbymotors wrote: »

'Your knowledge of Comprehensive schools is decades out of date. '

Oh no it's not you know. I have a child now in his 40s and grandchildren.

There are some very bad schools near where they live, and you do indeed see the stereotype of mothers in tracksuits smoking outside the school gates waiting with a bag of McD fries and a bag of sweets for their offspring. Sad but true, and not by any means all of them.

The clever, smart kids that go to these schools have got no chance in life...very little teaching and learning goes on. Instead of raising everyone to a better standard (mostly) they are ground down to a poorer standard.

It makes no difference anyway, the Tories will be in power for the foreseeable future. And good job too, as I cannot recall any Laqbour government, ever, that has left the country better off than whenever they came to power.

It's not austerity, it is living within your means, a lesson that the left will not listen to, cannot hear, and will never adopt.

It's the same as running your life, sure, I could live like a king for 5 years, get in debt, and then spend 20 years living in 'austerity' (ie within my means) in order to pay beck the debt.

More of the politics of despair from the Tory Right.

Every other developed European country manages to provide comprehensive state led education, but not in the UK, because those terrible track suit wearing proles are just genetically too inferior to learn.

Take the least useless ones and segregate them where they can have the privilege of learning from their betters. Then enjoy exploiting and sneering at the underclass that ensues.

setmefree2

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

As someone who was in years 10, 11, 12 and 13 in a school that was defined as failing the year I left I disagree with everything you've said.

Had I been given the opportunity to go to a better school because of my ability I would have jumped at the chance. Instead I was sat next to people with juvenile records, drug users, messers and layabouts. Copying your work, frequently asking you what the work is and how to do it and generally being disruptive.

That drags people down. You're being naive to ignore it.

At least having grammar schools will give some children the opportunity to escape that system.

When did you go to school? in the 40's or 50's?

mrginge

westernpromise wrote: »

Bigotry #1 is that ethnic minorities are disadvantaged. Bigotry #2 is that grammar schools are blagged by white middle class children who've been tutored.

Yet take a walk round Henrietta Barnett or QE Boys in Barnet and you barely see a white face. Far from Toastie's 1916 prejudice about Rupert and Camilla, these days it's strictly Rajesh and Sunita.

Is it possible that Rajesh and Sunita are non-White middle class children who've been tutored?

The colour of these children's faces isn't relevant, but thanks for showing as all that you think it is by crowbarring it into the debate.

The issue is about educational inequality by income bracket, not race.

TrickyTree83

setmefree2 wrote: »

When did you go to school? in the 40's or 50's?

That was in the 90's and early 00's.

I'm 33.

setmefree2

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

That was in the 90's and early 00's.

I'm 33.

Before the Blair reforms. Schools have changed a lot. For the better.

setmefree2

Labour crushed in Sheffield by-election just weeks after Jeremy Corbyn rally attracted thousands

Labour suffered a crushing defeat in a local by-election tonight, losing a seat just three weeks after a Jeremy Corbyn rally attracted thousands of supporters.
The election was to replace Councillor Isobel Bowler, a longstanding and popular Labour councillor in the Sheffield Ward of Mosborough, who died in June.
In May, Labour won all three seats in the Ward, with the Lib Dems languishing in fourth place behind Ukip and the Conservative Party.
But in tonight's by-election, Both Labour and Ukip's votes collapsed, and Lib Dem candidate Gail Smith won on an 11 point lead.

Mosborough (Sheffield) result:
LDEM: 45.6% (+31.8)
LAB: 34.1% (-9.2)
UKIP: 12.4% (-9.8)
CON: 6.1% (-7.9)
GRN: 1.8% (-1.3)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-crushed-sheffield-election-just-8796901

mrginge

setmefree2 wrote: »

Conclusion - if you want to improve school results improve teaching - don't segregate.

Absolutely.

I have personal experience of the issues that May is highlighting so I can sort of just about understand the logic, but at a fundamental level, given where we are as a country it just seems like an utterly bizarre move.

setmefree2

mrginge wrote: »

Absolutely.

I have personal experience of the issues that May is highlighting so I can sort of just about understand the logic, but at a fundamental level, given where we are as a country it just seems like an utterly bizarre move.

Thinking about it - this will be an English Votes only law - so the SNP, etc won't be able to vote - so I guess it will be up to the HoL to kick this into the long grass?