An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

setmefree2

ruggedtoast wrote: »

How about rather than segregating children into ghettos based on educational ideology from the 1920s. we just fund all schools properly, let them stream children according to their abilities, and let teachers get on with their jobs.

You know, like a normal country.

Indeed. Instead of wasting everyone's time let's get on with the proper job....

....way too much political interference in schools. Within the last 12 months Cameron's government tried to turn every school into an academy - that come to a sticky end too.

setmefree2

bobbymotors wrote: »

The problem with comprehensives isn't the idea, it's the implementation.

Crap. Here in London we have the best schools in the UK and we don't have segregation.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

Apparently private tuition has rocketed in London in recent years.

My eldest got A*A*A, my youngest AAB at A level from a London state school - they never had any tuition.

setmefree2

michaels wrote: »

Hmm...scratches head....general election once 'Brexit' plans announced next spring.....

Can we yet start talking about 'stexit' - IE exit only in name with continuing single market, free movementish, ehcr, EU contributions (net so 'halved' to £150m per week) etc?

I won't vote for anyone who wants to bring back Grammar Schools. Full Stop.

Don't know where that leaves me?

westernpromise

Moby wrote: »

From my experience middle class families are much better at pushing their kids forward, they see the value of education. Apparently private tuition has rocketed in London in recent years. Kids from disadvantaged backgrounds in comparison don't get the same encouragement from home. I see it every day in the families I work with. The whole value system is different....as a result the child grows up on a diet of fast food, Jeremy Kyle, financial insecurity and a single mother more interested in what's on her mobile phone than what's happening to Kyle in school. There are always successes in which disadvantaged kids use the grammar system to better themselves....but these examples are the exception rather than the rule. For the reasons given an education system based on early selection will always have this problem.

Labour is heading for yet another lovely HAL9000 moment on this when two of its instinctive bigotries collide.

Bigotry #1 is that ethnic minorities are disadvantaged. Bigotry #2 is that grammar schools are blagged by white middle class children who've been tutored.

Yet take a walk round Henrietta Barnett or QE Boys in Barnet and you barely see a white face. Far from Toastie's 1916 prejudice about Rupert and Camilla, these days it's strictly Rajesh and Sunita.

Of course Labour wants to farm the poor for their votes by keeping them stupid, so between this and sucking up to the teaching unions it is clear that complacent mediocrity is the Labour plan for education.

Excellent stuff.

westernpromise

bobbymotors wrote: »

The clever, smart kids that go to these schools have got no chance in life...

And that's just how Toastie wants it. Under the bus with them, else before you know it, smarts and hard work will mean they make more money, and that just makes Toastie bl00dy seethe. Nobody should earn more than the thickest and idlest, and if anyone tries to then the state will crack down on them.

mrginge

setmefree2 wrote: »

Crap. Here in London we have the best schools in the UK and we don't have segregation.

I heard a discussion re this point the other day. The question was asked as to why previously failing London schools had improved so much.

The answer given was that they had attracted the best teachers.

Now it would seem obvious to me that if you put committed, professional teachers into *any* school you would expect improvements.
Nobody bothered to ask what happened to the bad teachers that were replaced or what happened to the schools that all these good teachers had originally come from.

setmefree2

westernpromise wrote: »

Labour is heading for yet another lovely HAL9000 moment on this when two of its instinctive bigotries collide.

I think it's Tories who are heading for a moment.....

TrickyTree83

setmefree2 wrote: »

Or we could just have no selection and those schools work just great too... come see how we do it in London....we have the best schools in the UK and we have no grammar schools....

And that would require people to purchase a house in London.

Which not everyone can afford.

They are then priced out of good education for their children.

The current system has evolved into a similar system to grammar school acceptance by means of how much you can afford to pay.

I say change it to acceptance based on merit.

If you're not academic, fine, we should be providing opportunities for practical people. Electricians, plumbers, carpenters, welders, etc... it's not just academic potential that needs to be realised.

Allowing people to excel based on merit shouldn't be limited to just those who can do A Level further maths at age 11.

setmefree2

mrginge wrote: »

I heard a discussion re this point the other day. The question was asked as to why previously failing London schools had improved so much.

The answer given was that they had attracted the best teachers.

Conclusion - if you want to improve school results improve teaching - don't segregate.