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An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn
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Totally agree. Blair was destroyed by Iraq....but that has meant real achievements at home have been ignored and provided the opportunity for the Corbyn idiots to take over the party.
Blair won an election after Iraq. It's the left of his own party who kept trying to nail him to the cross over Iraq and to destroy the Blair legacy. They have well and truly succeeded in this regard.0 -
the winter of discontent preceded Thatcher.
by the time thatcher got into power was there reasonable expectation that Miners, Power workers etc could be reasoned with?
Scargill wanted to bring down the government of the day and not negotiate with it.
Strikes were endemic : there was no gentle way of changing the strike laws
No, she was not a unifier which, in the end was why she went but she carried out a vital transformation
Agreed. Scargill was a malign influence and pursued class war rather than negotiation. I think the problem is often leaders begin to believe their own publicity, (Iron Lady) and Thatcher didn't know how to compromise in order to avoid division. Strangely despite Iraq and Brown glowering over his shoulder Blair seems to be the only leader who left at the time of his own choosing .......from recent memory anyway?0 -
ruggedtoast wrote: »Ironically Jeremy Corbyn, like most reasonable people, would prefer it if Israel stopped massacring the Palestinians
Do you realise how much the Palestinians despise the British. Only the Yanks are in front of us in the queue. Corbyn is more likely to inflame long standing Middle East conflicts than move the region any closer to peace.0 -
setmefree2 wrote: »The Blair Government changed lots of things - for starters they made state schools better - schools that you would want to send your children too. They also improved the NHS.....
But if you want a list of just some of the things the Blair Government's achieved here is 50
https://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/labours-blairs-top-50-achievements-since-1997/
Corbyn will never achieve any of this
The trouble with that kind of list is that Blair never paid for any of it. He just racked up the debt.
It is a bit like claiming that if I buy you a Ferrari and put it on your credit card, I've bought you a Ferrari. In fact, as you are getting the bill, you are now on the hook for the price of the Ferrari.
It needs a Tory government to clear up Labour's mess. Labour needs periods of Tory rule to create the prosperity it squanders; the Tories have absolutely no reciprocal need of periods of Labour rule.0 -
She was arrogant and she played the mens game better than the simpering grey old farts around her. She didn't promote other women because she wanted to be the centre of attention. She didn't listen to people who explained to her the consequences of her policies on the miners and the North and she opened up this country to financial deregulation of the financial services industry that led to the corruption that led to the crash. She slashed the health service budget, her policies led to 6 million unemployed and I remember well the poll tax riots.
Her success was based around her luck; prior to the Falklands she was struggling badly, after the Falklands she rode the jingoistic public wave and never looked back....until her own side stabbed her in the back.
Yes the one thing you can say about the tories they like power and they are ruthless with leaders who don't win ....I suppose that's why they win!
It is because you spout such ludicrous packs of lies that you lose elections all the time, you know.0 -
All other things being equal I totally agree....but in 80s Britain all other things were not equal....we needed quotas to start the road of opportunity for women....probably not needed now.
She did lead and she was strong but so are many poor leaders. She sowed division in the country and was not a unifier. Of course if you are a tory you love her anyway...I get that!
It's exactly because Labour women are there because they're women that Labour has never had a woman leader. They're all quota hires who are basically rubbish.
It's a structural Labour problem - Labour hates meritocracy because it results in unequal achievement. If Labour ran the Royal Ballet all the dancers would be forced to perform festooned with sash weights and wearing divers' lead boots to make sure they didn't dance any better than the average.
The first Jewish, gay and women PMs have all been Tories because the Tories respect merit and Labour loathes it.0 -
westernpromise wrote: »It's exactly because Labour women are there because they're women that Labour has never had a woman leader. They're all quota hires who are basically rubbish.
It's a structural Labour problem - Labour hates meritocracy because it results in unequal achievement. If Labour ran the Royal Ballet all the dancers would be forced to perform festooned with sash weights and wearing divers' lead boots to make sure they didn't dance any better than the average.
The first Jewish, gay and women PMs have all been Tories because the Tories respect merit and Labour loathes it.
The sad thing is you actually think Thatcher was a great leader and you cant understand why almost every decent person in the country disagrees with you.0 -
ruggedtoast wrote: »The sad thing is you actually think Thatcher was a great leader and you cant understand why almost every decent person in the country disagrees with you.
You need to stop describing people who disagree with you like this.
They're decent people too.0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »You need to stop describing people who disagree with you like this.
They're decent people too.
If your venerable leader, the Toad Farage can describe brexiteers as decent then the epithet is more than valid for anti Thatcherites.
Which is just about everyone who had to live through the miserable tyrants office.0
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