An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

bobbymotors

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Do you have a pork pie hat?

no. Is that what comrades wear nowadays?

the simple fact is that you think he will win and one day be PM.

I think he won't.

Except i think he won't be PM to a degree 4 times as great as you think he will...hence my offering £5 for every £1 you might want to.

But you won't, because despite your deranged beliefs, which I realise no one here will ever alter, even you don't believe Corbyn to be electable.

Or do you? ...the offer's there...I don't need a pork pie hat, I'm no bookie, they don't give to charity.

Good grief, what nonsense you spout...Comrade Corbyn is absolutely unelectable, I know it, everyone else knows it, and deep down even you know it. But still the unanswered questions and diatribe carry on.

Priceless.

ruggedtoast

bobbymotors wrote: »

no. Is that what comrades wear nowadays?

the simple fact is that you think he will win and one day be PM.

I think he won't.

Except i think he won't be PM to a degree 4 times as great as you think he will...hence my offering £5 for every £1 you might want to.

But you won't, because despite your deranged beliefs, which I realise no one here will ever alter, even you don't believe Corbyn to be electable.

Or do you? ...the offer's there...I don't need a pork pie hat, I'm no bookie, they don't give to charity.

Good grief, what nonsense you spout...Comrade Corbyn is absolutely unelectable, I know it, everyone else knows it, and deep down even you know it. But still the unanswered questions and diatribe carry on.

Priceless.

Mmm hmm. Thanks for sharing that.

ruggedtoast

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Farage has moved on in case you missed the news. That's the inherent danger when you get stuck in a rut rather than move with the times.

I love that I guessed you were a UKIP supporter and you are.

But of course you are, you all are. All sounding off about how great the Tories are and then marching off to the ballot box and voting for the extreme Right.

bobbymotors

Why don't you ever answer questions except with another question or an insult?

How are you going to win the 50 seats you need from the tories just to be even with them?
where is all the money you wish to spend going to come from?
do you seriously think Corbyn will ever be PM?

Answers please, no fluff, just answers.

And as per your post above...we live in a democracy, if Thrugelmir wishes to support UKIP he should be allowed to do so, in exactly the same way that you should be allowed to support Corbyn...its a free country.

But I don't see Thrugelmir or anyone else spouting off about how Farage will make a great PM one day, or trying to justify UKIP policies by spouting rubbish and insults like you do.

ruggedtoast

bobbymotors wrote: »

Why don't you ever answer questions except with another question or an insult?

How are you going to win the 50 seats you need from the tories just to be even with them?
where is all the money you wish to spend going to come from?
do you seriously think Corbyn will ever be PM?

Answers please, no fluff, just answers.

And as per your post above...we live in a democracy, if Thrugelmir wishes to support UKIP he should be allowed to do so, in exactly the same way that you should be allowed to support Corbyn...its a free country.

But I don't see Thrugelmir or anyone else spouting off about how Farage will make a great PM one day, or trying to justify UKIP policies by spouting rubbish and insults like you do.

You found a thread about someone going to a Jeremy-Corbyn rally and clicked on it specifically to have an argument with the person who wrote it. You all did.

Now you're here having an argument and 35 pages in you are all still ranting because you don't like it, because for some reason or another you feel like you "need to win" and you haven't.

If Labour's destruction under JC is as assured as you think then why not just move along and argue about something else.

You neither want a Labour government nor care about the Labour Party.

If you're actually genuinely worried that Labour is going to move to the Left and this is going to fundamentally alter the UK's political landscape and you are worried about this then maybe you could try attempting to understand why its happening.

You may even find out that the Marxist dystopia you dread isn't actually what Corbyn supporters want either, and then you wouldn't be so worried about it.

The insults are flowing both ways, by the way, but I am quite happy to call a truce if one is asked for.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ruggedtoast wrote: »

If you're actually genuinely worried that Labour is going to move to the Left and this is going to fundamentally alter the UK's political landscape

As a life long Tory voter I should be delighted - because there's nothing more certain than the fact Corbyn will keep Labour out of power for as long as he 'leads' the Labour party.

But as a pro-EU centrist, the lack of a credible opposition at the moment is very dangerous for the country, and Corbyn's failure to campaign enthusiastically for Remain almost certainly cost the nation the permanent diminishment that Brexit will bring.

bobbymotors

And STILL you fail to answer, and instead blame others, so once again

How are you going to win the 50 seats you need from the tories just to be even with them?
where is all the money you wish to spend going to come from?
do you seriously think Corbyn will ever be PM?

bobbymotors

You found a thread about someone going to a Jeremy-Corbyn rally and clicked on it specifically to have an argument with the person who wrote it. You all did.
No, I'm wondering how you can possibly think JC is the way forward. You haven't said yet.

Now you're here having an argument and 35 pages in you are all still ranting because you don't like it, because for some reason or another you feel like you "need to win" and you haven't.
i haven't ranted in the least...but I rather think you have. I don't need to win, Labour do. You still haven't explained how they are going to do so though. So please explain

If Labour's destruction under JC is as assured as you think then why not just move along and argue about something else.
Yes, I do think Labour's destruction is imminent. You don't. So...put your money where your mouth is. at 4/1 no less

You neither want a Labour government nor care about the Labour Party.
I don't mind a centrist labour governemnt in the least..but i dread a JC one. And I do care about Labour, we need an effective opposition.

If you're actually genuinely worried that Labour is going to move to the Left and this is going to fundamentally alter the UK's political landscape and you are worried about this then maybe you could try attempting to understand why its happening.
Labour moving left doesn't concern me in the least. Elections are won from the centre, always have been, always will be, so they will lose, and lose big time. It's happening because JC has promised a socialist utopia that the hard left cam latch on to...but STILL no one can tell us where the money will come from.

You may even find out that the Marxist dystopia you dread isn't actually what Corbyn supporters want either, and then you wouldn't be so worried about it.
I might find that out, but, like the rest of the electorate, why take the chance? You think the media are at fault? Simple...set up a socialist newspaper, if so many people agree with your views it will be a best seller and put the daliy mail out of business.

The insults are flowing both ways, by the way, but I am quite happy to call a truce if one is asked for.
No I dont want to insult anybody, I'd just like the questions answered.

here they are again:

How are you going to win the 50 seats you need from the tories just to be even with them?
where is all the money you wish to spend going to come from?
do you seriously think Corbyn will ever be PM?

ruggedtoast

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

As a life long Tory voter I should be delighted - because there's nothing more certain than the fact Corbyn will keep Labour out of power for as long as he 'leads' the Labour party.

But as a pro-EU centrist, the lack of a credible opposition at the moment is very dangerous for the country, and Corbyn's failure to campaign enthusiastically for Remain almost certainly cost the nation the permanent diminishment that Brexit will bring.

Well, he has a party which is in open rebellion, where 170 MPs are committed to some kind of childish protest of non cooperation, and where they actually heckle and insult him while he is trying to argue against the Conservative bench, when they aren't undermining him and the membership constantly to the Press.

While this was going on he still returned 65% Remain for Labour voters and Remain for his own constituency - which Owen Smith didn't manage.

According to Angela Eagle he was racing up and down the country for Remain with an "energy that would have exhausted a 25 year old", until she decided she wanted his job when suddenly he did nothing at all and was completely to blame for Brexit.

65% is also more than the SNP managed for apparently eurofanatical SNP voters, and the Tory government didn't even get 50% support for their own referendum with their own voters.

So I don't actually think he did that badly.

I fully agree with you that the farce that has taken over the PLP is terrible and that the endless, pointless, failed coups from MPs who should know better, is infuriating and damaging to the country at a critical time, and that after September there needs to a pretty thorough sweeping out.

They either need to get behind him and their members, or go and form another party.

ruggedtoast

bobbymotors wrote: »

You found a thread about someone going to a Jeremy-Corbyn rally and clicked on it specifically to have an argument with the person who wrote it. You all did.
No, I'm wondering how you can possibly think JC is the way forward. You haven't said yet.

Now you're here having an argument and 35 pages in you are all still ranting because you don't like it, because for some reason or another you feel like you "need to win" and you haven't.
i haven't ranted in the least...but I rather think you have. I don't need to win, Labour do. You still haven't explained how they are going to do so though. So please explain

If Labour's destruction under JC is as assured as you think then why not just move along and argue about something else.
Yes, I do think Labour's destruction is imminent. You don't. So...put your money where your mouth is. at 4/1 no less

You neither want a Labour government nor care about the Labour Party.
I don't mind a centrist labour governemnt in the least..but i dread a JC one. And I do care about Labour, we need an effective opposition.

If you're actually genuinely worried that Labour is going to move to the Left and this is going to fundamentally alter the UK's political landscape and you are worried about this then maybe you could try attempting to understand why its happening.
Labour moving left doesn't concern me in the least. Elections are won from the centre, always have been, always will be, so they will lose, and lose big time. It's happening because JC has promised a socialist utopia that the hard left cam latch on to...but STILL no one can tell us where the money will come from.

You may even find out that the Marxist dystopia you dread isn't actually what Corbyn supporters want either, and then you wouldn't be so worried about it.
I might find that out, but, like the rest of the electorate, why take the chance? You think the media are at fault? Simple...set up a socialist newspaper, if so many people agree with your views it will be a best seller and put the daliy mail out of business.

The insults are flowing both ways, by the way, but I am quite happy to call a truce if one is asked for.
No I dont want to insult anybody, I'd just like the questions answered.

here they are again:

How are you going to win the 50 seats you need from the tories just to be even with them?
where is all the money you wish to spend going to come from?
do you seriously think Corbyn will ever be PM?

Good grief.

1) Elections are usually won by convincing the electorate to vote for one party over another using reasoned argument. This is impossible to deploy over the propaganda of the Tory controlled media therefore social media and direct campaigning is being used as an alternative. Most successfully, as ths SNP found out.

2) Money comes from fractional reserve banking. A nationalised state bank would bring more of it back into the public realm and allow for greater investment in capacity building and infrastructure development. Endeavours that have been shown to have a greater effect over GDP than pumping private banks full of liquidity and hoping they do something other than spend it on yachts for themselves.

3) I would like him to be, or someone else who has the same views as the Party membership