An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

She was arrogant and she played the mens game better than the simpering grey old farts around her. She didn't promote other women because she wanted to be the centre of attention. She didn't listen to people who explained to her the consequences of her policies on the miners and the North and she opened up this country to financial deregulation of the financial services industry that led to the corruption that led to the crash. She slashed the health service budget, her policies led to 6 million unemployed and I remember well the poll tax riots.
Her success was based around her luck; prior to the Falklands she was struggling badly, after the Falklands she rode the jingoistic public wave and never looked back....until her own side stabbed her in the back.
Yes the one thing you can say about the tories they like power and they are ruthless with leaders who don't win ....I suppose that's why they win!

just curious : how many women were in the shadow cabinet over the period that Thatcher was PM?

ruggedtoast

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

Maybe she promoted the best people for the job instead of having quotas to fill?

I agree she was arrogant, it was what was needed in a leader at that time, someone who wouold take charge and LEAD.

I didn't actually disagree with the poll tax, in hindsight.....it is only right that every adult should pay something. Where it gets debatable is that whether we should all pay the same.

The best people for the job?

Do you remember what John Major was left with?

John Major is the only Prime Minister we have had in my lifetime I don't hate.

Ironically.

ruggedtoast

Moby wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34840708
Agreed about the funding of terrorist groups but that's not an exclusive Corbyn position....but Corbyn has no influence with the Americans in any event. You have to be in power to change things....can't you see that?:mad:

If you get into power under a banner of not changing anything because tackling the status quo is too hard then nothing changes.

Can't you see that? :mad:

setmefree2

ruggedtoast wrote: »

If you get into power under a banner of not changing anything because tackling the status quo is too hard then nothing changes.

Can't you see that? :mad:

The Blair Government changed lots of things - for starters they made state schools better - schools that you would want to send your children too. They also improved the NHS.....

But if you want a list of just some of the things the Blair Government's achieved here is 50

1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
2. Low mortgage rates.
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.
9. Employment is at its highest level ever.
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
11. 85,000 more nurses.
12. 32,000 more doctors.
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
18. Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
19. Restored city-wide government to London.
20. Record number of students in higher education.
21. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
22. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
27. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
28. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
34. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
35. Banned fox hunting.
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
37. Free TV licences for over-75s.
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
39. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
41. New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.
43. Free eye test for over 60s.
44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries.
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
49. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
50. Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

https://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/labours-blairs-top-50-achievements-since-1997/

Corbyn will never achieve any of this

Moby

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

Maybe she promoted the best people for the job instead of having quotas to fill?

I agree she was arrogant, it was what was needed in a leader at that time, someone who wouold take charge and LEAD.

I didn't actually disagree with the poll tax, in hindsight.....it is only right that every adult should pay something. Where it gets debatable is that whether we should all pay the same.

All other things being equal I totally agree....but in 80s Britain all other things were not equal....we needed quotas to start the road of opportunity for women....probably not needed now.
She did lead and she was strong but so are many poor leaders. She sowed division in the country and was not a unifier. Of course if you are a tory you love her anyway...I get that!

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

just curious : how many women were in the shadow cabinet over the period that Thatcher was PM?

Don't know ......look it up Clapton...I was talking about Thatcher because she was in power!

Moby

ruggedtoast wrote: »

If you get into power under a banner of not changing anything because tackling the status quo is too hard then nothing changes.

Can't you see that? :mad:

Whose banner is this then?

Moby

setmefree2 wrote: »

The Blair Government changed lots of things - for starters they made state schools better - schools that you would want to send your children too. They also improved the NHS.....

But if you want a list of just some of the things the Blair Government's achieved here is 50
https://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/labours-blairs-top-50-achievements-since-1997/

Corbyn will never achieve any of this

Totally agree. Blair was destroyed by Iraq....but that has meant real achievements at home have been ignored and provided the opportunity for the Corbyn idiots to take over the party.

seven-day-weekend

Moby wrote: »

All other things being equal I totally agree....but in 80s Britain all other things were not equal....we needed quotas to start the road of opportunity for women....probably not needed now.
She did lead and she was strong but so are many poor leaders. She sowed division in the country and was not a unifier. Of course if you are a tory you love her anyway...I get that!

I wasn't a Tory in those days, I have only voted Tory for a few years. Before that, since the early 1980s, I was a floating voter and before that I voted Labour.

I agree things were not equal in those days, that's why she had to fight hard to get where she did. She didn't get selected in constituencies at first because people thought she would not be able to do the job as she had children. She made her way in a male-dominated world and did it well. never mind those second-raters who get there via a women-only shortlist. How patronising that idea is.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

All other things being equal I totally agree....but in 80s Britain all other things were not equal....we needed quotas to start the road of opportunity for women....probably not needed now.
She did lead and she was strong but so are many poor leaders. She sowed division in the country and was not a unifier. Of course if you are a tory you love her anyway...I get that!

the winter of discontent preceded Thatcher.

by the time thatcher got into power was there reasonable expectation that Miners, Power workers etc could be reasoned with?
Scargill wanted to bring down the government of the day and not negotiate with it.
Strikes were endemic : there was no gentle way of changing the strike laws

No, she was not a unifier which, in the end was why she went but she carried out a vital transformation