An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

setmefree2

ruggedtoast wrote: »

So did Hitler.

Godwin's Law....you lose....

Malthusian

westernpromise wrote: »

I cannot wait to hear from Toastie which seats Khorbiyn is going to win in 2020 when he gets his majority. Assuming he wins back say 50 Scotish seats and 50 in England and Wales, that would give him a majority. So what will Yeremiy's message be to the voters of Glasgow and of Worcester? "Vote Labour because I f~cking hate you"?

Well they've returned Tory governments for the last two elections, so the citizens of Glasgow and Worcester should hate themselves. Corbyn is delivering an inspirational message of hate to the British people (or to rallies of a few hundred embittered headbangers from the 1970s and the odd millennial geography undergraduate, which to them is the same thing). The masses will no longer tolerate the self-interested UK electorate voting to protect their own interests while ignoring the plight of people queuing outside food banks, Syrian refugees and Greek pensioners. Smash. Purge. Hurrah for ISIS and the IRA and all our comrades working to overthrow the capitalist order.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

I realise it's hard having a debate when they are coming at you from all sides....but there again you did start the thread Rugged:).....

I do keep trying to resurrect the other Corbyn thread so toastie can have some respite.....

...see I do have a heart....

Moby

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

Jeremy Corbyn is the same age as my husband, about nine months older than me, so yes, he is a 'boomer' and he is considerably wealthier than either myself or my husband, so if we should 'count our privilege' then so should he.

I wonder (I may be wrong), if he gives as much to charity, either in time or money, as some of the people on here who you have accused of not caring for the poor? I would bet on him not doing so if I were a betting person.

Judge not others lest thyself be judged;)

ruggedtoast

Moby wrote: »

I know the police don't have a shoot first policy....so why did Corbyn raise it as a response? that was my point....he doesn't have the capacity to respond in a logical way to pressure! His response to the Brexit vote the following morning was to call for article 50 to be invoked immediately.....without any negotiations taking place?????...why would we do that?

I realise it's hard having a debate when they are coming at you from all sides....but there again you did start the thread Rugged:).....still waiting to hear what the strategy is to win the next election though?

He didn't raise it as a response.

The shoot first nonsense was the result of a Daily Mail article in response to the Paris massacres that David Cameron took up as a cause celebre in one of his speeches, and was then quite rightly criticised by Jeremy as empty, dangerous right wing posturing.

No British police commissioner has ever asked for a shoot first policy or suggested the UK needs one. Nor had Cameron bothered to consult the police before he said it.

Nevertheless this was then immediately seizedupon by the right wing press (i.e. all the mainstream press) as evidence that Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters love terrorists.

Ironically Jeremy Corbyn, like most reasonable people, would prefer it if Israel stopped massacring the Palestinians and the British and Americans stopped bankrolling fundamentalist Wahabbist Islam in Saudi Arabia. Two significant policy changes that would do much more to reduce Islamic terrorism than the Right's bankrupt divide and not conquer imperialism and silly demands that the police walk around shooting people with no cause.

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

I know the police don't have a shoot first policy....so why did Corbyn raise it as a response? that was my point....he doesn't have the capacity to respond in a logical way to pressure! His response to the Brexit vote the following morning was to call for article 50 to be invoked immediately.....without any negotiations taking place?????...why would we do that?

I realise it's hard having a debate when they are coming at you from all sides....but there again you did start the thread Rugged:).....still waiting to hear what the strategy is to win the next election though?

This is how I imagine Jeremy Corbyn arriving at Buckingham Palace to accept the Queens invitation to form a government.

seven-day-weekend

Moby wrote: »

Judge not others lest thyself be judged;)

I haven't judged him. I posed a question, and said I may be wrong..

Moby

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

Yes, we should all admire Margaret Thatcher, coming from being a grocer's daughter to the first female PM in Britain. The family lived in the flat above her father's grocery shop and she won a scholarship to Grammar School ( a route denied to many bright children today, and obliterated altogether if Corbyn gets his way), she took advantage of the opportunity to get a good education, thence on to Oxbridge and got a Chemistry degree. She then had to work hard against the prejudices of the day to get to be an MP, let alone leader.

There is a lot we can learn from her.

(One thing I thought rather nice, from the Wikipedia entry - she was apparently much more proud of being the first PM with a Science degree, than of being the first female PM - oh and that's something else the Tories have done -twice - which all-inclusive Labour hasn't).

She was arrogant and she played the mens game better than the simpering grey old farts around her. She didn't promote other women because she wanted to be the centre of attention. She didn't listen to people who explained to her the consequences of her policies on the miners and the North and she opened up this country to financial deregulation of the financial services industry that led to the corruption that led to the crash. She slashed the health service budget, her policies led to 6 million unemployed and I remember well the poll tax riots.
Her success was based around her luck; prior to the Falklands she was struggling badly, after the Falklands she rode the jingoistic public wave and never looked back....until her own side stabbed her in the back.
Yes the one thing you can say about the tories they like power and they are ruthless with leaders who don't win ....I suppose that's why they win!

seven-day-weekend

Moby wrote: »

She was arrogant and she played the mens game better than the simpering grey old farts around her. She didn't promote other women because she wanted to be the centre of attention. She didn't listen to people who explained to her the consequences of her policies on the miners and the North and she opened up this country to financial deregulation of the financial services industry that led to the corruption that led to the crash. She slashed the health service budget, her policies led to 6 million unemployed and I remember well the poll tax riots.
Her success was based around her luck; prior to the Falklands she was struggling badly, after the Falklands she rode the jingoistic public wave and never looked back....until her own side stabbed her in the back.
Yes the one thing you can say about the tories they like power and they are ruthless with leaders who don't win ....I suppose that's why they win!

Maybe she promoted the best people for the job instead of having quotas to fill?

I agree she was arrogant, it was what was needed in a leader at that time, someone who wouold take charge and LEAD.

I didn't actually disagree with the poll tax, in hindsight.....it is only right that every adult should pay something. Where it gets debatable is that whether we should all pay the same.

Moby

ruggedtoast wrote: »

He didn't raise it as a response.

The shoot first nonsense was the result of a Daily Mail article in response to the Paris massacres that David Cameron took up as a cause celebre in one of his speeches, and was then quite rightly criticised by Jeremy as empty, dangerous right wing posturing.

No British police commissioner has ever asked for a shoot first policy or suggested the UK needs one. Nor had Cameron bothered to consult the police before he said it.

Nevertheless this was then immediately seizedupon by the right wing press (i.e. all the mainstream press) as evidence that Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters love terrorists.

Ironically Jeremy Corbyn, like most reasonable people, would prefer it if Israel stopped massacring the Palestinians and the British and Americans stopped bankrolling fundamentalist Wahabbist Islam in Saudi Arabia. Two significant policy changes that would do much more to reduce Islamic terrorism than the Right's bankrupt divide and not conquer imperialism and silly demands that the police walk around shooting people with no cause.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34840708
Agreed about the funding of terrorist groups but that's not an exclusive Corbyn position....but Corbyn has no influence with the Americans in any event. You have to be in power to change things....can't you see that?:mad:
I'm resigned to the fact that his victory on 24th is going to leave us totally impotent to affect anything in the coming few years. I am personally so upset with the brexit vote. How is effing Jeremy effing Corbyn going to challenge the May, Fox, Davis, Johnston stitch up on this 'deal'. You Corbynites are so irresponsible....you are putting your faith in a well meaning but slightly loopy serial campaigner who shouldn't ever have been allowed near power within the Labour party...never mind the country at large! His legacy will be bitterness and division!