BREXIT price rises

mwpt

BobQ wrote: »

You are right that most of those who voted for Leave had legitimate reasons ( impact of immigration on our culture, services and housing stock, a dislike of the EU as a concept, dislike of EU regulation whatever)

But accepting the outcome, surely we can also accept that a minority voted leave for less credible reasons (eg to save the NHS, as a protest) or due to racist views? I can quite understand why the majority would not want to be associated with the latter views but that is not a reason to abstain from commenting on the matter.

And if that minority was somewhere in the region of 4% of the population (fairly likely), then lumping them in with sensible leave voters has determined our future.

mayonnaise

mwpt wrote: »

And if that minority was somewhere in the region of 4% of the population (fairly likely), then lumping them in with sensible leave voters has determined our future.

Racists increasingly unhappy about ‘Brexiter’ slurs

Amid growing incidents of ‘Brexiteering’ across the country since the referendum results, racists have insisted they should not be tarred with the same brush just because they voted the same way as the ‘Leavers’.

http://newsthump.com/2016/06/29/racists-increasingly-unhappy-about-brexiter-slurs/

:rotfl:

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

And if that minority was somewhere in the region of 4% of the population (fairly likely), then lumping them in with sensible leave voters has determined our future.

are you referring to the vile Diane Abbott who believes that nurses from certain ethnic/racial backgrounds shouldn't be employed in the NHS?

TrickyTree83

mayonnaise wrote: »

Racists increasingly unhappy about ‘Brexiter’ slurs



http://newsthump.com/2016/06/29/racists-increasingly-unhappy-about-brexiter-slurs/

:rotfl:

Looks legit to me.

DollarSaver

Well this topic seemed to gain a life of its own. I find it so weird how Brexiters seem to have their heads buried in the sand. You voted out and now there is an economic downturn coming. Far from blaming every downturn since Brexit on Brexit falsely it is happening as a direct consequence of that decision. You may well have thought you were doing the right thing but I don't agree. For multiple reasons, and the economy merely being one of them. I cannot post links so please search for :

"Brexit plunges UK economy to worst level since 2009, data suggests"

and you will find the BBC article.


Moreover cutting to the chase I fear the seeds of fascism have been sown in the U.K. and we thus far have been the only country in Europe to have fallen for it. It is up to each and every one of us to ensure we do not end up with a far right government who will in essence dictate what happens. Shameful that a country that once fought against such a scourge be fooled into the same thing again. Fascism won't look like Hitler in 2016. Have your eyes open to what parties like U.K.I.P and Farage really represent. Don't be fooled again by clown like smiley faces.

Fascism is easily defined: I am owed something, someone has taken something from me and it is group X that is to blame and who should be punished. So shameful, our forefathers who sacrificed their lives fighting against fascism will be turning in their graves.

So please think about it and what it means for the future. Don't make the same mistakes twice.

TrickyTree83

DollarSaver wrote: »

Well this topic seemed to gain a life of its own. I find it so weird how Brexiters seem to have their heads buried in the sand. You voted out and now there is an economic downturn coming. Far from blaming every downturn since Brexit on Brexit falsely it is happening as a direct consequence of that decision. You may well have thought you were doing the right thing but I don't agree. For multiple reasons, and the economy merely being one of them. I cannot post links so please search for :

"Brexit plunges UK economy to worst level since 2009, data suggests"

and you will find the BBC article.


Moreover cutting to the chase I fear the seeds of fascism have been sown in the U.K. and we thus far have been the only country in Europe to have fallen for it. It is up to each and every one of us to ensure we do not end up with a far right government who will in essence dictate what happens. Shameful that a country that once fought against such a scourge be fooled into the same thing again. Fascism won't look like Hitler in 2016. Have your eyes open to what parties like U.K.I.P and Farage really represent. Don't be fooled again by clown like smiley faces.

Fascism is easily defined: I am owed something, someone has taken something from me and it is group X that is to blame and who should be punished. So shameful, our forefathers who sacrificed their lives fighting against fascism will be turning in their graves.

So please think about it and what it means for the future. Don't make the same mistakes twice.

Coming on a bit strong there.

Even had we remained in the EU we'd have a Labour party in crisis and an almost guaranteed Conservative government should JC remain in charge of the Labour party.

Hardly the second coming of the nazi party.

mayonnaise

DollarSaver wrote: »

Well this topic seemed to gain a life of its own. I find it so weird how Brexiters seem to have their heads buried in the sand. You voted out and now there is an economic downturn coming. Far from blaming every downturn since Brexit on Brexit falsely it is happening as a direct consequence of that decision. You may well have thought you were doing the right thing but I don't agree. For multiple reasons, and the economy merely being one of them. I cannot post links so please search for :

"Brexit plunges UK economy to worst level since 2009, data suggests"

and you will find the BBC article.


Moreover cutting to the chase I fear the seeds of fascism have been sown in the U.K. and we thus far have been the only country in Europe to have fallen for it. It is up to each and every one of us to ensure we do not end up with a far right government who will in essence dictate what happens. Shameful that a country that once fought against such a scourge be fooled into the same thing again. Fascism won't look like Hitler in 2016. Have your eyes open to what parties like U.K.I.P and Farage really represent. Don't be fooled again by clown like smiley faces.

Fascism is easily defined: I am owed something, someone has taken something from me and it is group X that is to blame and who should be punished. So shameful, our forefathers who sacrificed their lives fighting against fascism will be turning in their graves.

So please think about it and what it means for the future. Don't make the same mistakes twice.

Let me help you.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36864273

Brexit plunges UK economy to worst level since 2009

Britain's decision to leave the EU has led to a "dramatic deterioration" in economic activity, not seen since the aftermath of the financial crisis.

Great post by the way.

Graham_Devon

For context: UK PMI has been on the decline since 2014.

Yes, last month saw a sharper decline, but there were the same sort of sharp declines in late 2014 and early 2015 too. The graph is very much a shark tooth effect.

The BBCs footnote states: The downturn, he added, was "associated with risks in the global economy," as well as Brexit.

Obviously the BBC will blame brexit entirely, and have done in their title.

The data needs to be compared with manufacturing data from other countries too. Only then will we see whether this is all down to brexit, or whether the same is happening across the western economy (which, by the way, appears to be the case).

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Graham_Devon wrote: »

For context: UK PMI has been on the decline since 2014.

Yes, last month saw a sharper decline, but there were the same sort of sharp declines in late 2014 and early 2015 too. The graph is very much a shark tooth effect..

For accuracy - this is the worst fall since the 2008 crash that led to a multi-year depression and economic/employment carnage:



It wasn't scaremongering and it wasn't Project Fear - the predictions were right. And this will hurt poorer communities across the UK the most.

Where are the Brexiters now, who said everything would be fine?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Graham_Devon wrote: »

The data needs to be compared with manufacturing data from other countries too. Only then will we see whether this is all down to brexit, or whether the same is happening across the western economy (which, by the way, appears to be the case).

Oh dear.... You're wrong again.

Eurozone July Composite PMI at 52.9 - they actually beat the forecast - while UK PMI plummeted to the worst levels since the 2008/9 crash.

"The eurozone economy showed surprising resilience in the face of the UK’s vote to leave the EU and another terrorist attack in France.

"It’s especially encouraging to see employment growth continuing to improve, with firms’ appetite to hire seemingly so far unaffected by the uncertainty caused by the Brexit vote, especially in Germany."

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-aftermath-european-flash-pmi-july-2016-7

It is becoming increasingly clear that it's the UK who is going to be stuffed by leaving the EU - and that the EU is far less affected.

Which is exactly what you'd expect given 45% of our trade is with the EU, but just 7% of their trade is with us.