BREXIT price rises

TrickyTree83

wotsthat wrote: »

Did you notice how you pointed out racism and xenophobia existed before the result as well as after? That's the sort of subtle playing down that we'll move away from as time passes.

Well that wasn't the intended use of that statement I was hoping to put across.

I was hoping to illustrate that the BNP, Britain First, Combat 18, etc... all existed prior to the referendum vote. That they may feel legitimised is something that needs to be addressed, but addressing their feelings of legitimacy for me is secondary to actually stamping it out entirely.

Tammykitty

BobQ wrote: »

I have no idea why, but instead of being pleased at the result the pro-Brexiteers seem to have become even more intolerant and insulting of those who disagree with them. I suspect they simply do not trust the Government to leave and are angry that we have not triggered Article 50 instantly and packed the immigrants off to the continent. A typical UKIP reaction in fact.

If you support one party in a GE and it loses are you supposed to change your principles?

This thread was about prices after Brexit but anyone commenting on the subject is subject to insults if they do not tow the party line

Perhaps that is because they are getting called Racist. the remainers need to accept that there was a variety of reasons for voting leave, not just immigration.


I have not noticed the winners of the referendum getting more intolerant, I have actually noticed it the other way around.


Personally since the referendum, I haven't even many comments about the vote (or at least no where near as may as I did before the referendum). There is no point to vote is over, and in the real world, I don't even mention how I voted - it doesn't matter anymore, the decision is made, so we should all move forward.


I spend a lot of time listening to people say how all the leavers are stupid, ignorant, believed lies, Racist etc, and most of the time I don't even comment.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

I get the slight sense that leavers have felt somewhat awkward about the fact that the average racist will have voted the same way. During the campaign this uncomfortable truth was given the blind eye - yes racists are vile but when they go to the polls we do rather hope we can rely on their vote.

I think there are less people condemning this behaviour because we're still labelling ourselves remainers and leavers, and this, and the result of the referendum, might be giving racists the impression they've been given some sort of mandate.

These labels hopefully won't persist for long so racist behaviour will be more soundly condemned. I do have a concern that, in order to flog their tatty wares, the media will be engaging in jingoistic xenophobia as the exit and trade negotiations progress thus further fanning the flames.

The police are probably under resourced to deal with it too.

so although condemning my views

CLAPTON wrote:

I guess, at the end of the day, it is up to the people of wales to make foreigners feel welcome.

you have NOTHING positive to offer.

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

so although condemning my views


you have NOTHING positive to offer.

It's probably not helpful to keep beating you with the fact that you didn't need to be a racist to vote leave but if you are a racist you probably did.

I'll stop it soon. You meanwhile will still be trying to associate support for Jeremy Corbyn with a deep love for the IRA.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

It's probably not helpful to keep beating you with the fact that you didn't need to be a racist to vote leave but if you are a racist you probably did.

I'll stop it soon. You meanwhile will still be trying to associate support for Jeremy Corbyn with a deep love for the IRA.

so nothing positive to add about how to handle racism in wales?

as far as the corbyn clique are concerned I think the beliefs of the leaders are a totally valid area for political comment.

corbyn's refusal to condemn the IRA bombers and killers says a lot about him, as does that of McDonnell's wish to honour the IRA and his jokes about killing thatcher as does Abbotts overt racism.

frankly I'm appalled you think these views are acceptable and you wish these facts to be suppressed : says a lot about you.

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

so nothing positive to add about how to handle racism in wales?

as far as the corbyn clique are concerned I think the beliefs of the leaders are a totally valid area for political comment.

corbyn's refusal to condemn the IRA bombers and killers says a lot about him, as does that of McDonnell's wish to honour the IRA and his jokes about killing thatcher as does Abbotts overt racism.

frankly I'm appalled you think these views are acceptable and you wish these facts to be suppressed : says a lot about you.

It's a nice strawman (I'm no Corbyn supporter) but if you think nobody has noticed how you try to equate support of Corbyn with support of the IRA you're dreaming. You're playing a suppression game yourself.

As for racism in Wales more resource needs to be allocated to robustly deal with racists if racism is on the rise. Once we've moved along from our partisan leave/ remain positions there will be more unity against racism I'm sure.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

It's a nice strawman (I'm no Corbyn supporter) but if you think nobody has noticed how you try to equate support of Corbyn with support of the IRA you're dreaming. You're playing a suppression game yourself.

As for racism in Wales more resource needs to be allocated to robustly deal with racists if racism is on the rise. Once we've moved along from our partisan leave/ remain positions there will be more unity against racism I'm sure.

so you support more resources in due course but no support for people action as I suggested

Originally Posted by CLAPTON
I guess, at the end of the day, it is up to the people of wales to make foreigners feel welcome.

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

so you support more resources in due course but no support for people action as I suggested

IMO some of the people who would normally be part of the 'people action' are turning a blind eye.

I'd suggest it would be better to acknowledge the link between the referendum result and increase in racist incidents and, now the votes of racists have been secured, help shut them back in their boxes asap.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

IMO some of the people who would normally be part of the 'people action' are turning a blind eye.

indeed so with people on this board wanting to turn a blind eye to the views and attitude of the Corbyn clique. You e.g. have never critised Abbott for her clear racist views.

I'd suggest it would be better to acknowledge the link between the referendum result and increase in racist incidents and, now the votes of racists have been secured, help shut them back in their boxes asap.

absolutely agree : which is why I believe that the people of Wales should make it their position clear to all foreigners even if you did take exception to the post.

Originally Posted by CLAPTON
I guess, at the end of the day, it is up to the people of wales to make foreigners feel welcome.

BobQ

Tammykitty wrote: »

I spend a lot of time listening to people say how all the leavers are stupid, ignorant, believed lies, Racist etc, and most of the time I don't even comment.

You are right that most of those who voted for Leave had legitimate reasons ( impact of immigration on our culture, services and housing stock, a dislike of the EU as a concept, dislike of EU regulation whatever)

But accepting the outcome, surely we can also accept that a minority voted leave for less credible reasons (eg to save the NHS, as a protest) or due to racist views? I can quite understand why the majority would not want to be associated with the latter views but that is not a reason to abstain from commenting on the matter.