Will the losers accept the result and move on

zarf2007

cells wrote: »

mass unskilled migration helps put the lower skilled uk born workers up a tier or two on the skill/wage spectrum.

Long term unemployment (those unemployed for 12 months or more) is only 1% in the UK. That means if the poles are washing the dishes, stacking the shelves, collecting the rubbish, then the uk workers are not unemployed but employed in something more than that.

of course if a UK born and bread citizen, in a country with just 1% unemployment decides that they can only do minimum wage jobs they dont benefit much but for everyone else which is probably in excess of 95% of the population they are better off for it

Also a young unskilled (or skilled) migrant coming and working in the UK (and remember unemployment is only 1% so virtually all of them are working) likely pays a good deal more in taxes for the next 40 years than they take out

more lies.....what you and the other liberal idiots fail to grasp is the fact that

a) If a single migrant comes over here they live in a HMO with minimal outgoings and therefore can afford to undercut british workers as they can accept less than the living wage.

b) They are likely earning under the basic tax threshold so pay zero taxes or minimal.

c) If they are self employed they likely pay no taxes.

d) Generally get settled then send for the wife plus kids which then provides them with tax credits, NHS, schools and places a greater strain on public transport and housing.

e) the whole freedom of movement within the EU is great between countries of equal wealth such as the UK, france and germany etc but how many UK citizens go and settle in poland or other eastern bloc countries? and would they receive equal NHS, housing as they would the UK? but that is overlooked by the idiots such as Geldof and Eddie Izzard who sit in their mansions lecturing the public on who to vote for.

f) Good luck to Scotland if they really want to stay in the EU, I'm sure adopting the euro and the fact that oil prices have halved will stand them in good stead. This is yet more sabre rattling from the SNP without teeth and it will be funny watching them half heartedly pushing for something they are ill prepared to go through with.

The only winners in the 'remain' situation are businesses who can have a untapped cheap labour stream to keep the british worker in their place and their wages down.

And I really wish someone would survey the real cost of EU migrants to this country as per the effects of item D in my list, noone ever takes into account the bigger picture of the impact on public services.

All of those arguments about immigrants 'propping up the NHS' are correct, except it is largely non EU immigrants who are discriminated against under the current preference for EU migrants system.

I am very happy that I voted to leave and the gravy train has hit the buffers for the army of car washers/baristas flooding this country, Its gives me such pleasure that the sad liberal loser remain side are so bitter about it.

As for the argument about british people not wanting to do the low skilled jobs, speak to any college/university student who wants a part time job in the service industries, they don't exist thanks to low skilled EU labour, and as for long term layabouts on benefits who refuse to work (excludes people with mental/physical disabilities that prevents them from working), thats an issue for the government to resolve (i.e. no effort to gain a job should equal benefit withdrawal and actually have the balls to follow through with it).

In reality, even before we start to lock down our borders the brexit vote will likely make eastern europeans consider whether they want to settle here when they will get an easier ride from long term EU countries such as germany and may well deter more from entering on that basis alone.

Voting out was the best thing the people in country have ever done and mark my words in 5 years time we will wonder why we waited so long.

stator

cells wrote: »

Net migration inwards of young workers is brilliant economically. In a country with 1% unemployment (unemployed for 12 months or more) the migrants arent taking jobs they are creating demand and employment

They are taking housing though. Adding to the massive housing deficit due to the last 3 or 4 decades of Thatcherite housing policy.

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

There was only really one real negative in being in the EU and that was that England has per capita a lot less landmass so benefits less from the farm subsidies or to put it another way the ~£10B net contribution was the real net negative.

Net migration inwards of young workers is brilliant economically. In a country with 1% unemployment (unemployed for 12 months or more) the migrants arent taking jobs they are creating demand and employment

unfortunately we aren't growing any more landmass so instead we are trashing the standard of housing, living etc of our young.
Unlimited cheap labour keeps wages down and opportunities for the native born.

hildosaver

zarf2007 wrote: »

more lies.....what you and the other liberal idiots fail to grasp is the fact that

a) If a single migrant comes over here they live in a HMO with minimal outgoings and therefore can afford to undercut british workers as they can accept less than the living wage.

b) They are likely earning under the basic tax threshold so pay zero taxes or minimal.

c) If they are self employed they likely pay no taxes.

d) Generally get settled then send for the wife plus kids which then provides them with tax credits, NHS, schools and places a greater strain on public transport and housing.

e) the whole freedom of movement within the EU is great between countries of equal wealth such as the UK, france and germany etc but how many UK citizens go and settle in poland or other eastern bloc countries? and would they receive equal NHS, housing as they would the UK? but that is overlooked by the idiots such as Geldof and Eddie Izzard who sit in their mansions lecturing the public on who to vote for.

f) Good luck to Scotland if they really want to stay in the EU, I'm sure adopting the euro and the fact that oil prices have halved will stand them in good stead. This is yet more sabre rattling from the SNP without teeth and it will be funny watching them half heartedly pushing for something they are ill prepared to go through with.

The only winners in the 'remain' situation are businesses who can have a untapped cheap labour stream to keep the british worker in their place and their wages down.

And I really wish someone would survey the real cost of EU migrants to this country as per the effects of item D in my list, noone ever takes into account the bigger picture of the impact on public services.

All of those arguments about immigrants 'propping up the NHS' are correct, except it is largely non EU immigrants who are discriminated against under the current preference for EU migrants system.

I am very happy that I voted to leave and the gravy train has hit the buffers for the army of car washers/baristas flooding this country, Its gives me such pleasure that the sad liberal loser remain side are so bitter about it.

As for the argument about british people not wanting to do the low skilled jobs, speak to any college/university student who wants a part time job in the service industries, they don't exist thanks to low skilled EU labour, and as for long term layabouts on benefits who refuse to work (excludes people with mental/physical disabilities that prevents them from working), thats an issue for the government to resolve (i.e. no effort to gain a job should equal benefit withdrawal and actually have the balls to follow through with it).

In reality, even before we start to lock down our borders the brexit vote will likely make eastern europeans consider whether they want to settle here when they will get an easier ride from long term EU countries such as germany and may well deter more from entering on that basis alone.

Voting out was the best thing the people in country have ever done and mark my words in 5 years time we will wonder why we waited so long.

I think you are going to be sorely disappointed in what is going to happen - the UK will need to agree to freedom of movement of labour in order to access the single market and all the talk of restricting immigration will prove to have been exaggerated wildly.

cells

zarf2007 wrote: »

more lies.....what you and the other liberal idiots fail to grasp is the fact that

a) If a single migrant comes over here they live in a HMO with minimal outgoings and therefore can afford to undercut british workers as they can accept less than the living wage.

b) They are likely earning under the basic tax threshold so pay zero taxes or minimal.

c) If they are self employed they likely pay no taxes.

d) Generally get settled then send for the wife plus kids which then provides them with tax credits, NHS, schools and places a greater strain on public transport and housing.

e) the whole freedom of movement within the EU is great between countries of equal wealth such as the UK, france and germany etc but how many UK citizens go and settle in poland or other eastern bloc countries? and would they receive equal NHS, housing as they would the UK? but that is overlooked by the idiots such as Geldof and Eddie Izzard who sit in their mansions lecturing the public on who to vote for.

f) Good luck to Scotland if they really want to stay in the EU, I'm sure adopting the euro and the fact that oil prices have halved will stand them in good stead. This is yet more sabre rattling from the SNP without teeth and it will be funny watching them half heartedly pushing for something they are ill prepared to go through with.

The only winners in the 'remain' situation are businesses who can have a untapped cheap labour stream to keep the british worker in their place and their wages down.

And I really wish someone would survey the real cost of EU migrants to this country as per the effects of item D in my list, noone ever takes into account the bigger picture of the impact on public services.

All of those arguments about immigrants 'propping up the NHS' are correct, except it is largely non EU immigrants who are discriminated against under the current preference for EU migrants system.

I am very happy that I voted to leave and the gravy train has hit the buffers for the army of car washers/baristas flooding this country, Its gives me such pleasure that the sad liberal loser remain side are so bitter about it.

As for the argument about british people not wanting to do the low skilled jobs, speak to any college/university student who wants a part time job in the service industries, they don't exist thanks to low skilled EU labour, and as for long term layabouts on benefits who refuse to work (excludes people with mental/physical disabilities that prevents them from working), thats an issue for the government to resolve (i.e. no effort to gain a job should equal benefit withdrawal and actually have the balls to follow through with it).

In reality, even before we start to lock down our borders the brexit vote will likely make eastern europeans consider whether they want to settle here when they will get an easier ride from long term EU countries such as germany and may well deter more from entering on that basis alone.

Voting out was the best thing the people in country have ever done and mark my words in 5 years time we will wonder why we waited so long.

long term unemployment was ~1% ten years ago and its still ~1% today so the migrants are not taking out jobs. Actually they are they are taking the lowest paid least attractive jobs leaving the natives to take work up the scale

CLAPTON

hildosaver wrote: »

I think you are going to be sorely disappointed in what is going to happen - the UK will need to agree to freedom of movement of labour in order to access the single market and all the talk of restricting immigration will prove to have been exaggerated wildly.

if that is true then many will consider that a betrayal

hildosaver

CLAPTON wrote: »

if that is true then many will consider that a betrayal

Yes they will but that is what is going to happen. The politicians who were behind the leave campaign have either gone into hiding since the result or have already started backtracking on many of the claims made before the election.

cells

stator wrote: »

They are taking housing though. Adding to the massive housing deficit due to the last 3 or 4 decades of Thatcherite housing policy.

housing was in a boom well before the 'mass migration' of the poorer EU nations starting in 2004.

Without checking I recall that prices in London doubled between 1998 - 2002.

Also if you look at a chart of build rates over the last 50 years you see the uk has had a crash in build rates. the recent poles did not change government policy to go from almost 400,000 new builds a year closer to 150,000 thats all down to the locals

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

long term unemployment was ~1% ten years ago and its still ~1% today so the migrants are not taking out jobs. Actually they are they are taking the lowest paid least attractive jobs leaving the natives to take work up the scale

during most of the last 10 years, unemployment was higher : so that shows that during most of that time the immigrant were displacing the natives' jobs
and there is no evidence that they take the lowest paid jobs and no evidence that the natives moved up.
and of course there's plenty of evidence that wages have been suppressed and that productivity is low due to the unlimited supply of cheap labour.

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

unfortunately we aren't growing any more landmass so instead we are trashing the standard of housing, living etc of our young.
Unlimited cheap labour keeps wages down and opportunities for the native born.

UK voted out, how much more likely is it for a teacher to now buy the £1.5 million terrace home in hackney?

How long will they need to wait for your promise of a good sized house locally?

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