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Will the losers accept the result and move on
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hildosaver wrote: »I think you are going to be sorely disappointed in what is going to happen - the UK will need to agree to freedom of movement of labour in order to access the single market and all the talk of restricting immigration will prove to have been exaggerated wildly.
Obviously securing our Financial services is key and this could be used as a tool to get us to accept FMO, However Germans are already begging us to still trade with them, there is discontent within European members saying that the EU needs to back off and stop being so intrusive, calls for Juncker to step down and he is taking a bit of a battering from country leaders. What brexit seems to have done is to open the eyes of other members and cause an element of discontent from within . This is good the UK
We may well have to agree to some form of movement but perhaps not in the same way we have now. Despite this ideal of EU being one big happy place countries will defiantly be looking out for their own interests and getting the best deal for themselves as well . We are already seeing this. What ever happens it seems that despite Junker and Tusk saying that there will be no further negotiation that there will be compromise on both sides to secure agreements, and at this stage it seems everything is on the table.Dont wait for your boat to come in 'Swim out and meet the bloody thing'0 -
if that is true then many will consider that a betrayal
Possibly will be seen as a betrayal, however the name name may change for the UK from member of EU, to former member of EU, but nothing will actually change.
People will still have free movement as they do now, immigration will be on a par with now from the EU (and from elsewhere), we will still pay into the EU, we will still have as much 'control' of our country as we did.
The poor and uneducated will still suffer as they do now and the more educated, richer members of society will see no change.0 -
Going4TheDream wrote: »Obviously securing our Financial services is key and this could be used as a tool to get us to accept FMO, However Germans are already begging us to still trade with them, there is discontent within European members saying that the EU needs to back off and stop being so intrusive, calls for Juncker to step down and he is taking a bit of a battering from country leaders. What brexit seems to have done is to open the eyes of other members and cause an element of discontent from within . This is good the UK
We may well have to agree to some form of movement but perhaps not in the same way we have now. Despite this ideal of EU being one big happy place countries will defiantly be looking out for their own interests and getting the best deal for themselves as well . We are already seeing this. What ever happens it seems that despite Junker and Tusk saying that there will be no further negotiation that there will be compromise on both sides to secure agreements, and at this stage it seems everything is on the table.
Perhaps but we are both agreed that freedom of movement will remain in some way - that is a certainty. There are many people in England who voted leave mainly due to the thought that it would stop/restrict immigration and that is simply not going to happen - or at least will not happen in the way many people thought it would.I am insane and have 4 mortgages - total mortgage debt £200k. Target to zero = 10 years! (2030)0 -
more lies.....what you and the other liberal idiots fail to grasp is the fact that
a) If a single migrant comes over here they live in a HMO with minimal outgoings and therefore can afford to undercut british workers as they can accept less than the living wage.
b) They are likely earning under the basic tax threshold so pay zero taxes or minimal.
c) If they are self employed they likely pay no taxes.
d) Generally get settled then send for the wife plus kids which then provides them with tax credits, NHS, schools and places a greater strain on public transport and housing.
e) the whole freedom of movement within the EU is great between countries of equal wealth such as the UK, france and germany etc but how many UK citizens go and settle in poland or other eastern bloc countries? and would they receive equal NHS, housing as they would the UK? but that is overlooked by the idiots such as Geldof and Eddie Izzard who sit in their mansions lecturing the public on who to vote for.
f) Good luck to Scotland if they really want to stay in the EU, I'm sure adopting the euro and the fact that oil prices have halved will stand them in good stead. This is yet more sabre rattling from the SNP without teeth and it will be funny watching them half heartedly pushing for something they are ill prepared to go through with.
The only winners in the 'remain' situation are businesses who can have a untapped cheap labour stream to keep the british worker in their place and their wages down.
And I really wish someone would survey the real cost of EU migrants to this country as per the effects of item D in my list, noone ever takes into account the bigger picture of the impact on public services.
All of those arguments about immigrants 'propping up the NHS' are correct, except it is largely non EU immigrants who are discriminated against under the current preference for EU migrants system.
I am very happy that I voted to leave and the gravy train has hit the buffers for the army of car washers/baristas flooding this country, Its gives me such pleasure that the sad liberal loser remain side are so bitter about it.
As for the argument about british people not wanting to do the low skilled jobs, speak to any college/university student who wants a part time job in the service industries, they don't exist thanks to low skilled EU labour, and as for long term layabouts on benefits who refuse to work (excludes people with mental/physical disabilities that prevents them from working), thats an issue for the government to resolve (i.e. no effort to gain a job should equal benefit withdrawal and actually have the balls to follow through with it).
In reality, even before we start to lock down our borders the brexit vote will likely make eastern europeans consider whether they want to settle here when they will get an easier ride from long term EU countries such as germany and may well deter more from entering on that basis alone.
Voting out was the best thing the people in country have ever done and mark my words in 5 years time we will wonder why we waited so long.
Well, congratulations because the head of the Leave campaign, who suddenly looks like a schoolboy put in charge of frontline defence against the Mongolian hords has just announced that none of your ranting xenophobic claptrap will ever happen.
There will be no deportations and no limits on labour movement, or the rights to settlement. Nor will article 50 be submitted any time soon.
And that's now. Imagine how little you are going to get in October.
If you people were bent out of shape about jobs, houses and austerity you'd have been a lot better off
A) not voting for a Tory government whose explicit campaign aims were austerity and restricting house buildinglobbying for jobs and houses and an end to austerity instead of enthusiastically lapping up some anti immigrant rubbish
But then, most of you just don't seem to be very bright. Or very nice either, actually. So I guess Leave just seemed like a better choice.
Good luck.0 -
If our democratically elected government decide we're going to allow free movement of EU citizens what's the problem?
You love democracy don't forget.
Didn't it mention this in the roadmap?
I do not recognise the 'road map' as being part of the referendum process and I think that continuing to allow free movement of EU people would be a betrayal of what people voted for.
However, if in the end people vote for that, I will accept in good grace a democratic decision to allow free movement of people.
Why do you doubt that?0 -
I do not recognise the 'road map' as being part of the referendum process and I think that continuing to allow free movement of EU people would be a betrayal of what people voted for.
However, if in the end people vote for that, I will accept in good grace a democratic decision to allow free movement of people.
Why do you doubt that?
Sorry, there was no official leave manifesto, except some soundbites like "take back control". The people didn't really vote for anything in particular.0 -
I think the question should be
Will the winners accept they've won, and get on with removing us from the Eu.
From what I've seen, Boris and Co are back pedalling like madEarly retired - 18th December 2014
If your dreams don't scare you, they're not big enough0 -
during most of the last 10 years, unemployment was higher : so that shows that during most of that time the immigrant were displacing the natives' jobs
and there is no evidence that they take the lowest paid jobs and no evidence that the natives moved up.
and of course there's plenty of evidence that wages have been suppressed and that productivity is low due to the unlimited supply of cheap labour.
Do you believe any of that?
Unemployment goes up in a recession it always does. The fact is today right now long term unemployment is about 1%. So at the very extreme end you can try to argue that without migrant unemployment would go from 1% to 0% but clearly even that would be stupid as nowhere has 0% unemployment
And the productivity argument is also nonsense it's been a long time since buying machines to replace people on a production line was an important contributor to economic growth we are at 75-80% services and the productivity of those depends more on regulations of which the banking sector was one hit which again had nothing to do with the migrants. Likewise oil gas and coal output crashing over the last 10 years was nothing to do with migration but push down productivity in UK gdp0 -
Will the winners still accept the result after we've had time to move on?Goldiegirl wrote: »From what I've seen, Boris and Co are back pedalling like mad0
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