Will the losers accept the result and move on

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

UK voted out, how much more likely is it for a teacher to now buy the £1.5 million terrace home in hackney?

How long will they need to wait for your promise of a good sized house locally?

snake oil salesmen

It would be better if the availability of family sized house in London better matched the wishes of the people.
I don't expect any significant change today.
However, if (and I say if) immigration is reduced to the 10s of thousands then, over time the supply-demand situation will be more favourable to your families.

I would contrast that with your own view that we should deliberately make it worse and worse and worse in each succeeding year:
I appreciate this will massively help older people who already own houses to further increase their equity, but it does great disservice to your people.
Sadly I can't undo in a few days , the dreadful harm that has been done over the last 20 years by the political elite who have enjoyed massive equity growth and cheap labour and sadly gloated over my many on this board.

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

Do you believe any of that?

Unemployment goes up in a recession it always does. The fact is today right now long term unemployment is about 1%. So at the very extreme end you can try to argue that without migrant unemployment would go from 1% to 0% but clearly even that would be stupid as nowhere has 0% unemployment

And the productivity argument is also nonsense it's been a long time since buying machines to replace people on a production line was an important contributor to economic growth we are at 75-80% services and the productivity of those depends more on regulations of which the banking sector was one hit which again had nothing to do with the migrants. Likewise oil gas and coal output crashing over the last 10 years was nothing to do with migration but push down productivity in UK gdp

What we know is that without a huge increase in labour, the price of labour would have gone up.
This would have encouraged businesses to find better ways of doing things which would have the overall effect of improving productivity and the value added by each worker.
The Uk would be a better place to live in too.

westernpromise

stator wrote: »

They are taking housing though. Adding to the massive housing deficit due to the last 3 or 4 decades of Thatcherite housing policy.

There is no housing deficit.

ballisticbrian

Will the winners accept they've won, and get on with removing us from the Eu.

From what I've seen, Boris and Co are back pedalling like mad

That's down to the government. We did not vote in Boris and the Co. Did you really think we were voting Boris into power? Jeeeez.

Norman_Castle

CLAPTON wrote: »

I do not recognise the 'road map' as being part of the referendum process and I think that continuing to allow free movement of EU people would be a betrayal of what people voted for.

Or thought they were voting for.

Yolina

Norman_Castle wrote: »

Or thought they were voting for.

Yes, the Leave campaign was so vague that voters kinda filled in the blanks with whatever they were hoping for.
As I've said in another thread, there's going to be a lot of disappointed leavers, like a really cr*p secret Santa

zarf2007

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Well, congratulations because the head of the Leave campaign, who suddenly looks like a schoolboy put in charge of frontline defence against the Mongolian hords has just announced that none of your ranting xenophobic claptrap will ever happen.

There will be no deportations and no limits on labour movement, or the rights to settlement. Nor will article 50 be submitted any time soon.

And that's now. Imagine how little you are going to get in October.

If you people were bent out of shape about jobs, houses and austerity you'd have been a lot better off

A) not voting for a Tory government whose explicit campaign aims were austerity and restricting house building

lobbying for jobs and houses and an end to austerity instead of enthusiastically lapping up some anti immigrant rubbish

But then, most of you just don't seem to be very bright. Or very nice either, actually. So I guess Leave just seemed like a better choice.

Good luck.

yeah whatever, its been 2 days and the remain camp are already writing off the country like the spoilt child who didnt get his candy. Anyone who voted to leave knew the immigration fix wouldnt be an overnight thing and we fully accept that, just go back to your middle class ivory tower and cry a bit more, you fools were well and truly beaten.

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

It would be better if the availability of family sized house in London better matched the wishes of the people.
I don't expect any significant change today.
However, if (and I say if) immigration is reduced to the 10s of thousands then, over time the supply-demand situation will be more favourable to your families.

I would contrast that with your own view that we should deliberately make it worse and worse and worse in each succeeding year:
I appreciate this will massively help older people who already own houses to further increase their equity, but it does great disservice to your people.
Sadly I can't undo in a few days , the dreadful harm that has been done over the last 20 years by the political elite who have enjoyed massive equity growth and cheap labour and sadly gloated over my many on this board.

House prices in London doubled between 1998-2002 that had nowt to do with the migrants. London will always be unaffordable for a nice family home for modest wage earners. That Doesnt mean we have a national housing problem caused by migrants

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

What we know is that without a huge increase in labour, the price of labour would have gone up.
This would have encouraged businesses to find better ways of doing things which would have the overall effect of improving productivity and the value added by each worker.
The Uk would be a better place to live in too.

The increase in labour also came with an increase in demand. Think of the opposite if 5 million people are expelled tomorrow do you think productivity will go up notably

Blacklight

Well, it's apparent that the Krankies will not accept any result other than the one they would like.