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Will the losers accept the result and move on

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  • stator
    stator Posts: 7,441 Forumite
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    There is no housing deficit.
    I know plenty of people living with parents or living in shared houses when they don't want to.
    Changing the world, one sarcastic comment at a time.
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
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    cells wrote: »
    House prices in London doubled between 1998-2002 that had nowt to do with the migrants. London will always be unaffordable for a nice family home for modest wage earners. That Doesnt mean we have a national housing problem caused by migrants


    You are being deliberately disingenuous.
    over 3 million immigrants live in London : no serious rational decent person can believe they do not massively affect the housing market. I am less concerned with Hull.
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
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    cells wrote: »
    The increase in labour also came with an increase in demand. Think of the opposite if 5 million people are expelled tomorrow do you think productivity will go up notably

    if that were so, no-one would every need to move country as they were creating their own demand at home.
  • carrot_cake
    carrot_cake Posts: 234 Forumite
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    Well, congratulations because the head of the Leave campaign, who suddenly looks like a schoolboy put in charge of frontline defence against the Mongolian hords has just announced that none of your ranting xenophobic claptrap will ever happen.

    There will be no deportations and no limits on labour movement, or the rights to settlement. Nor will article 50 be submitted any time soon.

    And that's now. Imagine how little you are going to get in October.

    If you people were bent out of shape about jobs, houses and austerity you'd have been a lot better off

    A) not voting for a Tory government whose explicit campaign aims were austerity and restricting house building

    B) lobbying for jobs and houses and an end to austerity instead of enthusiastically lapping up some anti immigrant rubbish

    But then, most of you just don't seem to be very bright. Or very nice either, actually. So I guess Leave just seemed like a better choice.

    Good luck.

    Says the person who posts stuff like this:

    "is that the flag waving pensioners and pea brained xenophobes wandering around with beer bellies bulging out of singlets are partying while the Remain voters actually are ashamed"

    Regardless of someone's age, size, IQ level etc their vote counts just as much as yours, even if you don't agree with it.
  • Yolina
    Yolina Posts: 2,262 Forumite

    Regardless of someone's age, size, IQ level etc their vote counts just as much as yours, even if you don't agree with it.

    I agree with you but when you see stuff like in the video, the mind boggles. I kinda feel sorry for that guy TBH despite all the cr*p he's spewing

    https://twitter.com/FutbolAndrew/status/746873382046674944/video/1
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  • Norman_Castle
    Norman_Castle Posts: 11,871 Forumite
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    Regardless of someone's age, size, IQ level etc their vote counts just as much as yours
    Unfortunately thats the problem. I was planning to vote leave if it offered an independent UK, including a content Scotland and N Ireland with good trade and political relationships with a stable eu but thats not was being offered. We were offered 350m for the nhs, better vacuums and importantly, no migrants. The no migrants offer won the Wetherspoons / Daily Mail vote despite these voters being contentedly ignorant of what leaving the eu actually involves. These votes were bought with nonsense and lies.
    Its not about being on the winning or loosing side. We are all on the same side. This decision has dragged us out of the eu before we were ready.
  • cells
    cells Posts: 5,246 Forumite
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    You are being deliberately disingenuous.
    over 3 million immigrants live in London : no serious rational decent person can believe they do not massively affect the housing market. I am less concerned with Hull.


    London prices were headed north irrespective of the mass migration post 2004. Successful capital cities are expensive. The prices in London 20 years ago was the abnormal not the prices of today.

    More important is your sales pitch that post brexit a teacher or postman can buy a nice family sized hme. Well they still cost £1.5 million where I am so how long does the postnab need to wait to get to Clapton affordability?
  • cells
    cells Posts: 5,246 Forumite
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    if that were so, no-one would every need to move country as they were creating their own demand at home.


    Yes for migrants from developed countries. If a few million Germans or French come and live here their nation suffers and ours benefits. If however the migrants are from less developed nations it allows then to be a lot more productive so overall the world benefits and most likely both countries the migrant came from a db works in now. The receiving nation gets an able bodies worker contrivutiobf direct and indirect taxes and likely pushing up locals a band or two. The sending nation gets hard currencies to purchase economic accelerators from the developed Nations
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
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    cells wrote: »
    London prices were headed north irrespective of the mass migration post 2004. Successful capital cities are expensive. The prices in London 20 years ago was the abnormal not the prices of today.

    More important is your sales pitch that post brexit a teacher or postman can buy a nice family sized hme. Well they still cost £1.5 million where I am so how long does the postnab need to wait to get to Clapton affordability?

    You are content to allow the situation to get worse and worse : stopping immigration in conjuction with new building will start to improve the housing situation.
    Given the growth in population has few positives and so many negatives, it better we move in the right direction as soon as possible.
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
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    cells wrote: »
    Yes for migrants from developed countries. If a few million Germans or French come and live here their nation suffers and ours benefits. If however the migrants are from less developed nations it allows then to be a lot more productive so overall the world benefits and most likely both countries the migrant came from a db works in now. The receiving nation gets an able bodies worker contrivutiobf direct and indirect taxes and likely pushing up locals a band or two. The sending nation gets hard currencies to purchase economic accelerators from the developed Nations

    This nonsense, a waiter in London is no more productive that a waiter any else and anyway totally irrelevant.
    We already have a massive current account deficit; sending money to foreign countries does us further harm as the pound will have to fall both to fund the extra imports the immigrants require and the money they send abroad.

    We have absolutley no requirement for a large number of immigrants: they reduce our quality of life and add no benefits.

    I know you don't really believe the nonsense you post but I will accept it is inventive even if economic rubbish.
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