Will the losers accept the result and move on

Timm

Wow. I was not expecting that.

Keep_pedalling

Kohoutek wrote: »

The answer to the OP's question is clearly 'no', at least in the case of Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Because those regions voted to stay does not mean they don't except the result. For the SNP this is the perfect result. Scotland clearly wants to stay but are being forced out by England and Wales.

This gives them a legitimate reason to push for a breakaway from the UK and quite frankly if I was a Scot I would be pushing as hard as I could for that, I just wish Cambridge was part of Scotland.

In the long run this could also lead to a united Ireland which IMO would be a good thing for them and us.

My big worry is not about those of us who wanted to remain, but of those in a deeply divided government who are going to have to negotiate our exit. We now need both strong leadership and strong negotiators and quite frankly I don't see a single candidate with those qualities on the government benches (or the opposition ones come to that)

If we end up with a bad deal and people who voted out see no benefits from cash being diverted to the NHS, and little change the migration then they are going to be even more upset that those of us who voted to remain.

mystic_trev

ruggedtoast wrote: »

This is the boomers. The fault of it boomers. The UKIP voting pension hogging boomers. :mad::mad:

Well it'll bring down House prices, I thought that's what you wanted?

wymondham

In answer to the OP question it seems not. Most on here are struggling with democracy (true democracy, not the EU type) in action.....

Keep_pedalling

wymondham wrote: »

In answer to the OP question it seems not. Most on here are struggling with democracy (true democracy, not the EU type) in action.....

Democracy is messy and unpredictable. We now live in a very polarised country where slanging matches have replaced reason and debate, which does not serve democracy well.

There will be little democracy involved when it comes to the forthcoming negotioans with the EU and our other trading partners. Let's hope that hidden in the government benches there are some strong leadership and negotiating skills, although I see no sign of that so far.

If we end up in a Norway type model then there are going to be some very angry people who voted leave and see little change in practice.

stator

A united Ireland? I shouldn't think so. Republicans would have all voted Yes and I guess the Unionist vote was split on the practicalities as they all like having an open border with Ireland regardless. Have a referendum on NI leaving UK and I'm guessing it will stick to the old party lines and be 50-55% Remain

gfplux

stator wrote: »

A united Ireland? I shouldn't think so. Republicans would have all voted Yes and I guess the Unionist vote was split on the practicalities as they all like having an open border with Ireland regardless. Have a referendum on NI leaving UK and I'm guessing it will stick to the old party lines and be 50-55% Remain

It will be interesting when the border between the North and the South becomes the new border between the EU and the U.K.

Conrad

The revolution from the ground up is precisely what is needed to bring us together in a share new journey


So much bad feeling resulted from the fact the liberal rulling class became utterly detached from the lives of the working class.


The working class don't want more regulations to ensure a NMW wage is paid, they want a pay rise and this is impossible with limitless mass immigration. Whilst they suffer in silence the privileged lofty elites smugly read the Guardian and think Owen Jones has the answers

StevieJ

Conrad wrote: »

The revolution from the ground up is precisely what is needed to bring us together in a share new journey


So much bad feeling resulted from the fact the liberal rulling class became utterly detached from the lives of the working class.


The working class don't want more regulations to ensure a NMW wage is paid, they want a pay rise and this is impossible with limitless mass immigration. Whilst they suffer in silence the privileged lofty elites smugly read the Guardian and think Owen Jones has the answers

So you think Corben is the man for the job?

Conrad

StevieJ wrote: »

So you think Corben is the man for the job?

No he's part of that great deaf liberal elite monolith that has stifled the working class voice, endlessly lecturing them that mass immigration is brilliant and enriching, as they sit in their £1m London homes with not a financial care in the world


Labour must ditch its lemon hierarchy


I've long been fascinated how hierarchies tend to loose touch with their voters / people / staff / customers. Its a disease on society.
Been on about this for 25 years when I realised the companies I worked for were all out of touch with the ground floor - often graduates at the top that have no domain specific experience