The EU: IN or OUT?

moneyfoolish

Dird wrote: »

Speaking from an IT perspective a lot of people with 20+ years experience are pretty !!!!. Much like a journeyman in boxing. In these situations it makes no sense to hire that person over someone with 4-5 years experience which equates to the same level of ability but will accept significantly lower pay as they haven't been given 20 years of annual increments.
The people with 20 years experience that have become experts will not struggle to find work. A guy I know recently gave up 20 years of contracting in London because a company in Singapore wanted to offer him around £150k/year as a perm

I've been retired for about 3 years now after working in IT since 1966 and my experience in my later working years is that it's not the "experts" who earn a fortune in IT but the talkers who have no specific skills in anything and move from company to company earning more money each time until they leave before being found out that they really don't do a lot! Most of the real "experts" are technical people most of who don't earn the big bucks.

Dird

Surprised to hear a guy at work was voting leave. He said the deciding factor was listening to Hannan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6FZ-V8w_8

Every vote counts :-o

moneyfoolish wrote: »

it's not the "experts" who earn a fortune in IT but the talkers who have no specific skills in anything and move from company to company earning more money each time until they leave before being found out that they really don't do a lot!

By talkers you mean friendly people or presenters? Don't know what area you specialised in so can't comment on presenters. I know 2 contractors who are nothing special (1 friendly, 1 normal) who have no issues finding regular £300-400/day contracts

saxo_appeal

I'm voting to stay IN

If we leave Natwest will stop offering people mortgages who live in the UK but are working in a different country inside of the EU

robin58

saxo_appeal wrote: »

I'm voting to stay IN

If we leave Natwest will stop offering people mortgages who live in the UK but are working in a different country inside of the EU

As a company, Natwest can stop offering mortgages regardless of being in or out.

They don't need a referendum to do that.

Dird

saxo_appeal wrote: »

If we leave Natwest will stop offering people mortgages who live in the UK but are working in a different country inside of the EU

Who the !!!! lives in the UK but works in Germany/Denmark? Either you live in Germany/Denmark or you're paid such ridiculous amounts to commute that you should have no need for a mortgage.

You win the award for the most random of reasons to decide to vote either way.

Edit: unless you work in Ireland xD

BananaRepublic

atush wrote: »

A lot of employers prefer younger workers over older. Immigration has nothing to do with it. They prefer younger UK applicants too.

This is short sighted, as older workers have life experience and skills that are going to waste.

I agree with much of the above, but not the statement that immigration has nothing to do with it. Immigrants tend to be young, and hence they make it harder for older workers to get work. And of course in general those who suffer most tend to be the unskilled workers, whose wages are forced down, and not the cushy middle classes who get their nice keen Polish plumber, and friendly Latvian sales assistant.

BananaRepublic

mrginge wrote: »

Age is a protected characteristic and employers discriminating on such grounds (except under permitted reasons) are breaking the law.

I wouild rephrase that: "employers who can be proven to be discriminating on such grounds (except under permitted reasons) are breaking the law."

Basically they can always argue that the young chap/lass is better qualified, or came across better or whatever.

I have been racially discriminated against during a job interview, but I was and am unable to prove it.

chucknorris

Dird wrote: »

Who the !!!! lives in the UK but works in Germany/Denmark? Either you live in Germany/Denmark or you're paid such ridiculous amounts to commute that you should have no need for a mortgage.

You win the award for the most random of reasons to decide to vote either way.

Edit: unless you work in Ireland xD

When I worked in Germany for 2-3 years most of my colleagues had mortgages back here in the UK. I was only in my early 20's at that time so I was still a few years away from buying my first house.

theGrinch

I have been eurosceptic since I first read about the EEC in 1990 around ERM entry and fixed exchange rates. Soon after I read a book on the Economics of Monetary Integration and that convinced me this is political union in a power grab.

I have never waved since unlike most MPs.

Glen_Clark

atush wrote: »

the Outs are far more vociferous, and make the biggest stink. And are more likely to attack others of a differing opinion. So remainers will not poll as strongly.

Its a secret ballot and if even thats not enough most are not posting under their own names.