The EU: IN or OUT?

maxie014

Is it so wrong to want to be able to get a half decent job etc when your parents,grandparents and ancestors stretching back before you have lived,paid taxes,worked hard to make the uk what it is,before some eu migrants who have never done any of the above?

masonic

maxie014 wrote: »

Is it so wrong to want to be able to get a half decent job etc when your parents,grandparents and ancestors stretching back before you have lived,paid taxes,worked hard to make the uk what it is,before some eu migrants who have never done any of the above?

Personally, I wouldn't want to live in a society where someone's chances in life were predetermined by what their parents did and their ancestry. People should be judged on their own merits.

Nocto

maxie014 wrote: »

Is it so wrong to want to be able to get a half decent job etc when your parents,grandparents and ancestors stretching back before you have lived,paid taxes,worked hard to make the uk what it is,before some eu migrants who have never done any of the above?

Whilst I can see your point, it seems to me like a typically British and parochial way of looking at things. If we remain a member of the EU then you and your children, grandchildren, etc. can live and work in 27 other countries without the need for visas, work permits, etc., where you / they have never paid any tax.

It’s a freedom I value, though I appreciate that others do not.

That said, I think the EU has managed the integration of new member states badly (amongst other things…), and only have themselves to blame if we vote to leave.

bigadaj

masonic wrote: »

Personally, I wouldn't want to live in a society where someone's chances in life were predetermined by what their parents did and their ancestry. People should be judged on their own merits.

It's a lovely sentiment but in that case why have any immigration restrictions at all, why not allow billions of people to access the uk from China, India, South America and Africa?

Living standards for many across the world have increased massively over the also few decades but ti is a slow and gradual process. Allowing access for millions or tens of millions from poorer countries with little restriction has hit the quality of life of many British people. Whether you think that is fair or unfair relies on whether your quality of life has been reduced or improved, why don't we allow a couple of million computer workers from India into the uk for example?

Larger numbers of immigrants mean that benefits to British people are being diluted as they become more attractive than what is available in many Eastern European countries, as free movement and equal treatment are fundamental, and are very difficult to manage across a continent with radical differences in costs and standards of living. You may say that many incomes are young people with little benefit needs, but spiralling rents and house prices mean that housing benefit is continually increasing.

The irony is of course that the deflationary effect of immigration isn't very useful to a government that needs to inflate away the continuing debt and no doubt has been part of the reason for Osborne missing his targets.

bigadaj

Nocto wrote: »

Whilst I can see your point, it seems to me like a typically British and parochial way of looking at things. If we remain a member of the EU then you and your children, grandchildren, etc. can live and work in 27 other countries without the need for visas, work permits, etc., where you / they have never paid any tax.

It’s a freedom I value, though I appreciate that others do not.

That said, I think the EU has managed the integration of new member states badly (amongst other things…), and only have themselves to blame if we vote to leave.

To be fair the integration if Eastern Europe was mismanaged by the British government, Blair failing to restrict numbers which other Western European governments did for the first few years.

kingrulzuk

The EU is scared that if UK vote OUT all the other EU countries will follow and that will be the end of EU rule.

blutto

Andre w Marr and John Major in cahoots with the BBC Leftie agenda of remain! :rotfl:

John Major one of the worst PM's for ability we ever had,so trust his word,I think not! Sir John ,what a laugh! :rotfl: tryi g to get one over the EU rebels that gave him a kicking so used show as a platform!

Andrew Marr the '!!!!!' was doing the usual, wants to be heard not Seen ,kept interrupting and Boris should have been harder with him and tame that fools !!!! :eek: keep to th e subject he wants to talk about Turkey not what liberal democrat Marr wants the conversation to be!

That show is as bad as Question time, biast in the view of the presenter or the production teams political view!


BBC,!!!! as ever! Vote kill the TV Licence. :eek:

Use your gut feeling and just look to the light not the remain lies! :T

SavingFish

kingrulzuk wrote: »

The EU is scared that if UK vote OUT all the other EU countries will follow and that will be the end of EU rule.

Sounds like a legitimate concern, and a reason to vote remain.

Whether you believe that exit would hit us economically, or that we could clinch some unbelievable and unprecedented deal, if the EU collapses all bets are off. There would be no single market to agree a deal with. The economic ramifications would be far more severe :-S

Pincher

HornetSaver wrote: »

So, can the 59% who voted out on this poll please enlighten me on why immigration of large numbers of Polish plumbers or Romanian retail workers would have a detrimental impact on the majority of people's savings or investments?

If I was running a hedge fund, I can short FTSE, sell to crystalise on the dip, then go long with the profit on the rebound.

If I was a hedgie, living in Monaco, a 10% drop in the UK GDP is not my concern.

So, would I bank roll anybody who will step on the podium and shout Brexit?

Goldman Sachs is interested in the quick dip in FTSE, not long term UK economy.

atush

savings_my_hobby wrote: »

No idea (mainly because I did not write it) but common sense would say a typo.

That would be the case if once or twice, but it was 5 or more times in each post?