Will Brexit lead to mass deportations?

CLAPTON

StevieJ wrote: »

http://uk.businessinsider.com/is-the-eu-undemocratic-2016-3

officials are by definition paid unelected servant of the ruling class

Sapphire

BobQ wrote: »

This is getting silly. Do you really think that if the EU were to "slide" into totalitarianism as you say we would not notice. We could exit the EU at any time in the future. Even if I were to indulge your paranoia, it is not the EU that would slide but some of the nations within it. By remaining we can help bring stability to the EU.

I am more supportive of your last paragraph. The trouble is there is very little you can do to stop such firms using their resources in support of what they see as the interests of its clients and owners.

The trouble is that, judging from history (and I've studied history and archaeology for many years), the situation could easily escalate into totalitarianism – and by the time it did, if we were to remain in the EU we might not be in a position to resist it, or to 'leave' as you suggest. What the EU has done so far is certainly not to help bring stability to Europe – quite the opposite, in fact.

The EU (personified by Merkel and Juncker, for example) has been directly responsible for the rise of right-wing governments and for a breakdown in social cohesion (which appears to be getting worse), and has affected the economies of European nations very detrimentally. Obviously, it has also made the citizens of some countries feel very insecure. It has also endangered the citizens of European countries through the policy of open borders at all costs, and in any circumstances.

With regard to the final paragraph, my feeling is that the global financial elites are quite possibly behind the entire project. This is scary, since they certainly don't care about the interests of the citizens of Europe, and have no loyalty to them. Conspiracy theory, yes – but probably with some truth behind it.

chewmylegoff

ciaccino wrote: »

I'm not sure if I have understood it correctly, but according to this article:

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-brexit-lead-mass-deportations/22942

which I don't bother quoting as you're all capable of clicking on a link, the moment the UK informs the EU of its intention to leave the club, both EU citizens in UK and UK expats in the EU will lose all acquired rights.

According to the article the Vienna convention doesn't apply to the EU law.

Do they have a point? And, if so, is it a good thing?

Will there be deportations in case of Brexit?

I think this is something that the government should make clear before the referendum is held, not after.

I'm not eligible to vote, but those who are should be told in advance what could happen and not just left to play with ifs, buts, maybes.

I don't see how the government, whose policy is to remain in the EU, can possibly set out a credible and meaningful picture of what will happen in the wake of a Brexit vote on this particular issue. How would that work "we are in favour of staying in the EU but should you all vote to leave we will immediately seek to deport all those foreingers". It's a bit like asking Jeremy Corbyn what the policies of the next Labour leader will be.

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chewmylegoff wrote: »

I don't see how the government, whose policy is to remain in the EU, can possibly set out a credible and meaningful picture of what will happen in the wake of a Brexit vote on this particular issue. How would that work "we are in favour of staying in the EU but should you all vote to leave we will immediately seek to deport all those foreingers". It's a bit like asking Jeremy Corbyn what the policies of the next Labour leader will be.

The government surely hasn't done enough, but a government minister, Lord Keen, answering a written question, replied:

As set out in the Government’s White Paper: ‘The process for withdrawing from the European Union’, published on 29 February, the withdrawal process is unprecedented. No country has ever used Article 50 – it is untested. There is a great deal of uncertainty about how it would work.
UK citizens get the right to live and work in the other 27 member states from our membership of the EU. If the UK voted to leave the EU, the Government would do all it could to secure a positive outcome for the country, but there would be no requirement under EU law for these rights to be maintained.

Text is here:

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-question/Lords/2016-04-27/HL8054/

And my point is: neither the government, campaigning to stay, nor Vote Leave, have informed the electorate properly on the consequences of Brexit.

Millions of people will cast a vote without a clue on what the consequences will be.

CLAPTON

ciaccino wrote: »

The government surely hasn't done enough, but a government minister, Lord Keen, answering a written question, replied:



Text is here:

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-question/Lords/2016-04-27/HL8054/

And my point is: neither the government, campaigning to stay, nor Vote Leave, have informed the electorate properly on the consequences of Brexit.

Millions of people will cast a vote without a clue on what the consequences will be.

yes what the EU 27 will do is indeed unknown : I agree they are a disgrace that they haven't spelt out the full details:
who would want to be apart of an organisation like that?

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CLAPTON wrote: »

who would want to be apart of an organisation like that?

You mean the Tory party.

CLAPTON

ciaccino wrote: »

You mean the Tory party.

do you think it is possible to discuss what happens if brexit without the EU27 providing a massive input?

Filo25

I doubt the EU can comment a great deal until everyone sees what the next PM wants to negotiate in terms of Brexit.

If we want full access to the single market then the terms are pretty much out there already in terms of joining the EEA, and what that entails.

If we don't and want to negotiate a new trade deal then I imagine everything will be up for negotiation on both sides, neither side in the negotiation is going to be offering anything at this stage.

A lot of commentators keep speculating that eventual EEA membership is the most likely scenario, but I would imagine a lot of Brexit voters would feel hugely betrayed by that.

TrickyTree83

Filo25 wrote: »

I doubt the EU can comment a great deal until everyone sees what the next PM wants to negotiate in terms of Brexit.

If we want full access to the single market then the terms are pretty much out there already in terms of joining the EEA, and what that entails.

If we don't and want to negotiate a new trade deal then I imagine everything will be up for negotiation on both sides, neither side in the negotiation is going to be offering anything at this stage.

A lot of commentators keep speculating that eventual EEA membership is the most likely scenario, but I would imagine a lot of Brexit voters would feel hugely betrayed by that.

Seems to me that the key is that no one knows.

It might well be that as a large economy in the world, particularly in Europe that the EU has a vested interest in keeping us sweet, despite the rhetoric from Hollande and Merkel which I think was the beginning of project fear.

Although I'd doubt our current government is strong willed enough to negotiate that position with any success.

gfplux

One issue will effect all EU citizens living in ANOTHER EU Country after a Brexit Vote. As always this is speculation.
This particular effect applies to EU citizens who rely on the E111 for health care.
Example Brit ex pat living in Spain not paying Spanish Social security.
At some stage after a Brexit vote someone, UK, EU or even Spain unilaterally have to decide wether to continue to provide free or partial free Health Care to British Citizens living in Spain.
As I say this is pure speculation BUT is an issue that will have to be settled after the Brexit vote.
Actually I am a British Citizen living in another EU country (Luxembourg) so I have a very personal interest in the result of the Vote. I do pay Luxemburg Social security so My Luxembourg E111 covers me in all of the EU including the UK.
However as everyone, no let's say many people in most EU Country's say. "What do you do if you fall ill in the UK................go to the Airport"