Can UK veto Turkey?

HornetSaver

CLAPTON wrote: »

my understanding is that any country can veto a new member

however, if it is the intention of any country to veto Turkey, why don't they say so to stop the time being wasted on the protracted negotiations?

They're not negotiations, except perhaps in name.

If Turkey wants to remain in the process it does what it is told. Whenever it attempts to argue that it has come close enough it will be told firmly that it has not.

The fact that the process continues shows how desperate Turkey is to join, and therefore how much influence the EU wields over it. Influence it is using to mould Turkey as it sees fit.

EDIT: and as for the main question, yes we do have a veto. By comparison, these comments make Penny's decision to take to a diving board on national telly intelligent.

CLAPTON

HornetSaver wrote: »

They're not negotiations, except perhaps in name.

If Turkey wants to remain in the process it does what it is told. Whenever it attempts to argue that it has come close enough it will be told firmly that it has not.

The fact that the process continues shows how desperate Turkey is to join, and therefore how much influence the EU wields over it. Influence it is using to mould Turkey as it sees fit.

EDIT: and as for the main question, yes we do have a veto. By comparison, these comments make Penny's decision to take to a diving board on national telly intelligent.

one assumes some heavy irony here

HornetSaver

CLAPTON wrote: »

one assumes some heavy irony here

None whatsoever.

Just look at the hoops they're trying to jump through to try to get a visa exemption - accept all our migrants, relinquish all claim to Cyrpus and recognise the present government, make other policy-related reforms aligned with EU policy, and then, maybe, they might get somewhere.

Exactly the same people you hope to negotiate in good faith with come 24 June.

As bad as the status quo may be, at least we know what we've got.

ruggedtoast

The UK has always been the biggest supporter of Turkey's accession to the EU because it knows that

A) It would spell the end of the EU as any kind of superstate and turn it towards what the UK wants it to be, a trading bloc

The vast majority of Turkish migrants would be heading straight for Germany

Of course that was before this agenda was taken over by foaming at the mouth xenophobes and ranting little englanders who think that anyone with a foreign passport wants to break down their door, sleep with their wife, empty their fridge and then laugh at them at the benefits office while tearing up a special Kate and Wills Search for Maddie on Their Caravanning Holiday copy of the Daily Mail.

Rinoa

Just in case they do join

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672563/Turkey-EU-Britain-exclusive-poll-crime-figures-Turks

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The UK has always been the biggest supporter of Turkey's accession to the EU because it knows that

A) It would spell the end of the EU as any kind of superstate and turn it towards what the UK wants it to be, a trading bloc

The vast majority of Turkish migrants would be heading straight for Germany

Of course that was before this agenda was taken over by foaming at the mouth xenophobes and ranting little englanders who think that anyone with a foreign passport wants to break down their door, sleep with their wife, empty their fridge and then laugh at them at the benefits office while tearing up a special Kate and Wills Search for Maddie on Their Caravanning Holiday copy of the Daily Mail.

You seem to be a foming xenophobe and ranting little englander, who is frightening that non white christian europeans will break down your door while you are on your Caravanning holiday, as you only want them to join your club if they promise to go to Germany.

But of course you believe (in your nightmares ) in the totally free movement of people unless they come to your home and want 'remain' to proclaim that for all to hear.

Come on tell us what your really want.

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

Just in case they do join

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672563/Turkey-EU-Britain-exclusive-poll-crime-figures-Turks

Can we have a similar poll on Egypt or Algeria, because there is as much chance of them joining the EU as Turkey.
Turkey applied for membership on 14 April 1987.
And where are we now, almost 30 years later?

To accede to the EU, Turkey must successfully complete negotiations with the European Commission on 33 of the 35 chapters of the acquis communautaire, the total body of EU law. (Two chapters do not require negotiation.) Afterwards, the member states must unanimously agree on granting Turkey membership to the European Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union#Negotiation_progress

Chapters closed as of today? 1
Yes, 1 as in one.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Can we have a similar poll on Egypt or Algeria, because there is as much chance of them joining the EU as Turkey.
Turkey applied for membership on 14 April 1987.
And where are we now, almost 30 years later?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union#Negotiation_progress

Chapters closed as of today? 1
Yes, 1 as in one.

it is indeed unlikely that Turkey will join in the foreseeable future : mainly because xenophobic people like yourself, that only feel comfortable dealing with white, christian people would have a collective fit and veto it.

cells

Rinoa wrote: »

Just in case they do join

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672563/Turkey-EU-Britain-exclusive-poll-crime-figures-Turks

That is total crap.

I personally know some turks and yes 20 years ago there would have been mass migration out of turkey as it was very poor. Now far fewer people will do so as the country is a lot richer

Since this is the housing part of the forum if you just look at housing in turkey last year they built 598,700 units and they tend to be large apartment not like in the UK where a bedroom can hardly fit a bed desk and wardrobe. Needless to say building that many homes each and every year shows a rapidly developing and enriching country.

The soonest they could get into the EU is 2030 (2023 + 7 year wait) by which time they will have built likely close to an additional 10 million new homes and be much richer further reducing any need or want to migrate away

Also whatever number you think will head to the uk 5-10x that number will head to Germany.

Conrad

Cells if Turkey is as you paint, why have millions of migrants decided not to stay there, and to instead risk life n limb to get to the UK et al?


I've dealt with quite a number of North London Turkish businessmen over the years and well, lets just say cash is king and they love how easy it is to run rings around British soft touch 'rules'.


We were assured over and again that only about 40,000 would come from the accession nations from 2004, and yet millions have come.


How much more congested does the SE have to get before people finally realise it really is not a great idea? The green belt is an essential green lung for London, vital for the natural world, this relentless expansion of Humanity is so bad on many levels.