NSPCC report

Spendless

Mimi_Arc_en_ciel wrote: »

I asked the police whether it would fall under harassment and they said no - because she "may have legitimately thought this happened and we don't want to deter her making any future calls in case there is a child at risk" ... :mad:

So, if she didn't hear your child/ren because they weren't there that day but the police think she may have legitimately thought this had happened, have they been round to other people's houses who have child/ren who they think she might have overheard?

Mimi_Arc_en_ciel wrote: »

They have another pack holiday later in the year which I will try and persuade DD to go to (as she did thoroughly enjoy it) but this will obviously always be a reminder now

Sorry, I might have missed something you've explained but how does your DD know it refers to a time that she was away with the Brownies? Did the police tell her?

summerlady_2

meritaten wrote: »

Knock on her door and say 'If you EVER make a malicious report about me again - I will beat you to a pulp'! then walk off. Don't look back, just stalk off in high dudgeon - violence seems to be the only language she understands.

I think at this stage you would be wiser to avoid any contact with this person, direct or indirect. I would push for a police investigation into the offence of harassment. If I have read your previous posts correctly, there has been a course of conduct which could support a charge. I think that a restraining order can still be granted upon conviction, as well as any sentence for the offence itself. I don't see any benefit to yourself in pursuing a civil case of defamation (libel or slander).

GazzaHT

Guest101 wrote: »

Strangers are in your home. I wouldn't be so eager to help personally.

Really ???? So heaven forbid you call NSPCC about a neighbour/friend/relative child potentially in danger and when police arrive that parent is not eager to help. Shall the police just walk away ? Should that parent not want to let them in so log it, be unhelpful and then complain ??????

They can just enter anyway, there are several powers they could use.

I think the OP here has acted in totally the right way, she has allowed police access and it has been recorded as malicious. This will be logged by police and NSPCC and any other agencies. If the same types of calls continue then OP has good grounds for harassment which is not a one off incident but a course of conduct

marywooyeah

kingfisherblue wrote: »

You're going through a dreadful time at the moment with your neighbour. I would seriously consider requesting a non-molestation order against them.

I know you mean well, but your advice is incorrect. You cannot obtain a Non Molestation Order against a neighbour. These Orders can only be made against a person who is an "associated person" - the definition of an associated person is set out within s62 Family Lw Act 1996: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/27/section/62

OP you could look to obtain a civil injunction under the Protection from Harassment Act as an alternative, but would need to speak to a law firm which deals with these injunctions to get some more information.

meritaten

Mimi has been the target of this woman for months now. Mimi has done everything 'by the book'. Mimi has been quietly 'non-confrontational'. it has got her nowhere. in fact this neighbour has ESCALATED her allegations. Mimi herself has said the neighbour tried it with another villager - who dealt with it by offering violence. which worked!
now, in some of your worlds that is beyond the pale - but, in some villages, there are village bullies who you just have to stand up to. Because they actually enjoy the drama and know that dam all will come back to them.
reporting to SS or NSPCC - they thought the kids at risk! reporting to school? same thing. they can 'report' you to every agency they can think of and cause all kinds of hassle - and get away with this. because of the attitude shown by the police and other agencies 'we don't want to stop people reporting child abuse'.
infuriates me - this IS harassment - but proving it is well nigh impossible because of this attitude.
So, do you just take it and let this woman escalate? or nip it in the bud by telling this cow just where to get off?

kingfisherblue

marywooyeah wrote: »

I know you mean well, but your advice is incorrect. You cannot obtain a Non Molestation Order against a neighbour. These Orders can only be made against a person who is an "associated person" - the definition of an associated person is set out within s62 Family Lw Act 1996: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/27/section/62

OP you could look to obtain a civil injunction under the Protection from Harassment Act as an alternative, but would need to speak to a law firm which deals with these injunctions to get some more information.

My apologies. I based my advice on what I was advised by the police. My son was bullied at school, over a long period of time. The police got involved and I was advised to get a non-molestation order against the bully. I was told that the child would have a criminal record. School supported this. I asked instead that the police speak to the bully, warn him that I was considering this action, and what the consequences would be. The lad cried. The bullying stopped. This was three years ago.

Mimi, I think it was advised on a previous thread that you should keep a diary of the harassment. I hope you're doing this. Any action you are able to take will be supported by evidence, especially if you have witnesses who are willing to speak up.

summerlady_2

meritaten wrote: »

Mimi has been the target of this woman for months now. Mimi has done everything 'by the book'. Mimi has been quietly 'non-confrontational'. it has got her nowhere. in fact this neighbour has ESCALATED her allegations. Mimi herself has said the neighbour tried it with another villager - who dealt with it by offering violence. which worked!
now, in some of your worlds that is beyond the pale - but, in some villages, there are village bullies who you just have to stand up to. Because they actually enjoy the drama and know that dam all will come back to them.
reporting to SS or NSPCC - they thought the kids at risk! reporting to school? same thing. they can 'report' you to every agency they can think of and cause all kinds of hassle - and get away with this. because of the attitude shown by the police and other agencies 'we don't want to stop people reporting child abuse'.
infuriates me - this IS harassment - but proving it is well nigh impossible because of this attitude.
So, do you just take it and let this woman escalate? or nip it in the bud by telling this cow just where to get off?

I agree with what you say (except that last bit). The police need to step up and get moving. OP has contacted the Police and Crime Commissioner and I hope he/she will take some action.
A criminal conviction will last longer than a black eye, and it will become known. Even if the sentence is minimal, I believe that a breach of a restraining order attached to such a sentence can lead to imprisonment, which is where the power of the sentence rests.

Guest101

GazzaHT wrote: »

Really ???? So heaven forbid you call NSPCC about a neighbour/friend/relative child potentially in danger and when police arrive that parent is not eager to help. Shall the police just walk away ? Should that parent not want to let them in so log it, be unhelpful and then complain ??????

They can just enter anyway, there are several powers they could use.

I think the OP here has acted in totally the right way, she has allowed police access and it has been recorded as malicious. This will be logged by police and NSPCC and any other agencies. If the same types of calls continue then OP has good grounds for harassment which is not a one off incident but a course of conduct

Oh well done... Of course they can enter. They have reasonable belief someone may be harmed or at risk of harm. Doesn't mean you have to be eager to assist them.

Record it, log it and then complain.

The OP already has a case in a number of civil ways.

Guest101

kingfisherblue wrote: »

My apologies. I based my advice on what I was advised by the police. My son was bullied at school, over a long period of time. The police got involved and I was advised to get a non-molestation order against the bully. I was told that the child would have a criminal record. School supported this. I asked instead that the police speak to the bully, warn him that I was considering this action, and what the consequences would be. The lad cried. The bullying stopped. This was three years ago.

Mimi, I think it was advised on a previous thread that you should keep a diary of the harassment. I hope you're doing this. Any action you are able to take will be supported by evidence, especially if you have witnesses who are willing to speak up.

a non mol is a civil order, there would be no criminal record.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

The one small positive in this hideous situation is that the police acted promptly on a tip-off about the welfare of a child; hopefully such action will help a vulnerable child in future if valuable resources aren't being squandered by malicious moronic time-wasters. Seriously, someone who a) deliberately wastes police & NSPCC time and b) goes to the effort of concocting such lies is mentally troubled.

Keep calm, and keep clear records of everything relating to this woman. Do not engage with her in any way.

I'm trying to think what her next action might be, given police & NSPCC is about as serious as it gets. I think you said she'd already tried the school.