NSPCC report

Mimi_Arc_en_ciel

So as some of you know I have had a few problems with my neighbour with her making false allegations against me to the school etc. It seems that her games have been "upped" now...

Over the bank holiday my eldest daughter went away with the brownies (Sat morning - Mon evening) and had a fantastic time. She came home around 5:30pm and we had a tea party and popped her off to bed at 8pm.

Come 9:30pm and there was a knock on the door - 2 police officers. In they came, sat down and asked me who was in the house, where were my children and that they needed to see them - immediately.

There was a "anonymous report to the NSPCC" regarding my eldest child (Nothing mentioned about my youngest). the police went and checked the kids, asked my eldest some questions, asked me questions and went on their way saying it would be marked as a malicious call out. They wouldn't tell me what the report stated or what I was accused of.

On Tuesday I managed to contact the NSPCC and find out exactly what was written in the report (I obtained a copy) - It turned out that someone had (supposedly) seen me and my ex involved in a domestic violence arguement which incurred DD and me being hit. This "happened" on bank holiday Monday during the day (The report went in at 16:40) it also stated I left the children "all the time" and that the house was a wreck and that my children are withdrawn.

Now obviously - this is all lies. More to the point, I can prove they lied (Bear in mind it was stated that eldest daughter was SEEN on Monday - when she was 20 miles away with the brownies.....) My ex WAS over, he was picking/dropping youngest off after taking her out for the day but there certainly wasn't any arguments never mind anything else!

Both the Police, and NSPCC have closed the file and marked it as malicious. But there is now a "log" on me and my child to say this was reported (Which I don't think it should be on there as it was a blatant lie!) what also upsets me is that, even though I can prove this person lied, the police aren't interested in doing anything about the false report. They said I should be "happy" that nothing happened.... well yes actually, something DID happen, I now have a very upset 8 year old who thinks the police came for her, she's had nightmares every night since they came and is upset at school. I can almost certainly guarantee she won't want to go on the next brownie outing and it has spoilt the memory of her first trip away. NSPCC said that the police can track the person who made the complaint through their IP address (Which NSPCC will provide) so its not like they don't know / cant find out who it was.

Does anyone know whether:

A, I can get this "log" on our reports removed
B, I can do anything about filing a false report? The police say there's nothing can be done but surely there's SOMETHING that can happen?

summerlady_2

I'm not sure why you would want to have the record of the false report deleted. It will have been noted that the allegation was made, that it was fully investigated and found to be without basis. If another false report is made, there will be a record of behaviour (course of conduct) that police and NSPCC will be able to refer to.


As for lack of action by the police, we have just had Police and Crime Commissioner Elections. Contact yours and ask that the matter be further investigated. Explain just how upset it has made your children.


This appears to be a means of harassing you. If there is a further incident then the police should investigate and look to charge under the Protection from Harassment Act. If there have already been incidents involving police or other bodies then list them all for the Police and Crime Commissioner.


Hope it gets resolved, it's spiteful and distressing.

Mimi_Arc_en_ciel

summerlady wrote: »

I'm not sure why you would want to have the record of the false report deleted. It will have been noted that the allegation was made, that it was fully investigated and found to be without basis. If another false report is made, there will be a record of behaviour (course of conduct) that police and NSPCC will be able to refer to.

As for lack of action by the police, we have just had Police and Crime Commissioner Elections. Contact yours and ask that the matter be further investigated. Explain just how upset it has made your children.

This appears to be a means of harassing you. If there is a further incident then the police should investigate and look to charge under the Protection from Harassment Act. If there have already been incidents involving police or other bodies then list them all for the Police and Crime Commissioner.

Hope it gets resolved, it's spiteful and distressing.

I'm not 100% what people will "see" on the report - I would assume it would say "false" report somewhere. I just think, as it was a completely false thing, it shouldn't be there at all. I see what you're saying though.


I asked the police whether it would fall under harassment and they said no - because she "may have legitimately thought this happened and we don't want to deter her making any future calls in case there is a child at risk" ... :mad: What's stopping her from marking my children at "immediate risk" again under false pretences if she "got away" with it this time

kingfisherblue

You're going through a dreadful time at the moment with your neighbour. I would seriously consider requesting a non-molestation order against them.


In the meantime, have you informed the Brownie leader? I run Rainbows and Brownies, and appreciate parents telling me about anything that may affect behaviour. As this could impact on your daughter wanting to attend Brownies or any future trips, I'm sure that the leaders will help to support her.

Mimi_Arc_en_ciel

kingfisherblue wrote: »

You're going through a dreadful time at the moment with your neighbour. I would seriously consider requesting a non-molestation order against them.

In the meantime, have you informed the Brownie leader? I run Rainbows and Brownies, and appreciate parents telling me about anything that may affect behaviour. As this could impact on your daughter wanting to attend Brownies or any future trips, I'm sure that the leaders will help to support her.

I've just rang police commissioner - Who used to be my local MP and was really good so waiting on a call back from him.

Yes I told Brown Owl when I saw her. She said she was "more than happy" to speak to "anyone" to explain DD was with them on a camp holiday. Luckily she had given DD a certificate and badge etc so I had that when the police came round so they didn't "need" to speak to the brownies. Brown Owl was SERIOUSLY unimpressed someone had done this and made a fuss etc of DD at the meeting. They have another pack holiday later in the year which I will try and persuade DD to go to (as she did thoroughly enjoy it) but this will obviously always be a reminder now

Guest101

Mimi_Arc_en_ciel wrote: »

So as some of you know I have had a few problems with my neighbour with her making false allegations against me to the school etc. It seems that her games have been "upped" now...

Over the bank holiday my eldest daughter went away with the brownies (Sat morning - Mon evening) and had a fantastic time. She came home around 5:30pm and we had a tea party and popped her off to bed at 8pm.

Come 9:30pm and there was a knock on the door - 2 police officers. In they came, sat down and asked me who was in the house, where were my children and that they needed to see them - immediately. - Why on earth would you let them in?

There was a "anonymous report to the NSPCC" regarding my eldest child (Nothing mentioned about my youngest). the police went and checked the kids, asked my eldest some questions, asked me questions and went on their way saying it would be marked as a malicious call out. They wouldn't tell me what the report stated or what I was accused of. - Here's a tip for the future. "Go away"

On Tuesday I managed to contact the NSPCC and find out exactly what was written in the report (I obtained a copy) - It turned out that someone had (supposedly) seen me and my ex involved in a domestic violence arguement which incurred DD and me being hit. This "happened" on bank holiday Monday during the day (The report went in at 16:40) it also stated I left the children "all the time" and that the house was a wreck and that my children are withdrawn. - I fail to see how this helps you in anyway?

Now obviously - this is all lies. More to the point, I can prove they lied (Bear in mind it was stated that eldest daughter was SEEN on Monday - when she was 20 miles away with the brownies.....) My ex WAS over, he was picking/dropping youngest off after taking her out for the day but there certainly wasn't any arguments never mind anything else! - irrelevant.

Both the Police, and NSPCC have closed the file and marked it as malicious. - great. So hows the 'wasting police time' investigation coming along? But there is now a "log" on me and my child to say this was reported (Which I don't think it should be on there as it was a blatant lie!) what also upsets me is that, even though I can prove this person lied, the police aren't interested in doing anything about the false report. They said I should be "happy" that nothing happened.... - Complain, immediately. well yes actually, something DID happen, I now have a very upset 8 year old who thinks the police came for her, she's had nightmares every night since they came - hence, dont let them in, in the future. and is upset at school. I can almost certainly guarantee she won't want to go on the next brownie outing and it has spoilt the memory of her first trip away. NSPCC said that the police can track the person who made the complaint through their IP address (Which NSPCC will provide) so its not like they don't know / cant find out who it was.

Does anyone know whether:

A, I can get this "log" on our reports removed - Nope.
B, I can do anything about filing a false report? The police say there's nothing can be done but surely there's SOMETHING that can happen?

Yes they can investigate someone for wasting police time.


You can also sue the person for Libel / Slander (I suspect it was written report NSPCC rec'd?)

pogofish

Mimi_Arc_en_ciel wrote: »

I asked the police whether it would fall under harassment and they said no - because she "may have legitimately thought this happened and we don't want to deter her making any future calls in case there is a child at risk" ... :mad: What's stopping her from marking my children at "immediate risk" again under false pretences if she "got away" with it this time

A single report might not be considered harassment but taken in context with the other complaints she's been making, it could very well amount to a course of harassment that could be actioned. IIRC it can take as little as three documented incidents to be proved.

You need to speak to the school to see if they will provide statements to the police, then file you own complaint - and if they try to downplay it/fob you-off, insist on speaking to the duty Inspector, who has the authority to see this is taken very seriously indeed!

Mimi_Arc_en_ciel

Guest101 wrote: »

Yes they can investigate someone for wasting police time.

You can also sue the person for Libel / Slander (I suspect it was written report NSPCC rec'd?)

Sorry - It wont let me copy/quote your remarks in red.

Why on earth would you let them in?

Why wouldn't I?! They were the police and asked to come in. Surely refusing entry when they have a "immediate at risk" concern about my children would have only made matters worse by refusing them entry

Here's a tip for the future. "Go away"

Again - See above point

I fail to see how this helps you in anyway?

Because I didn't know what the report was about so I needed to get a copy

great. So hows the 'wasting police time' investigation coming along? Complain, immediately.

They don't see it as a waste of time and wont take my complaint seriously. Have since contacted police commissioner - see above post)

hence, dont let them in, in the future.

Like I said - They asked to come in and said it was about an "incident" - They never said it was about kids etc until they were inside. For all I know they could have been coming to tell me someone had died or something. I'm not "on the run" etc so why wouldn't I let them in?

A, I can get this "log" on our reports removed - Nope.

Apparently I can - I just don't know how to

Slander is also a difficult thing to prove in court apparently so not many people sue for this (unless they have money to waste - which I don't)

pigpen

there isnt anything you can do unfortunately.. but the fact nothing was found was noted and that is as good as it gets.

My ex and his pet trollop have reported me at least 7 times over the last 2 years.. absoutely nothing I can do.. he also made disgusting allegations about my middle son all totally untrue and that could have resulted in a police file for no reason other than someone is a very rude C word. Some people just need to disappear off the face of the planet.

The best you can do is start a harassment file against this neighbour.

Guest101

Mimi_Arc_en_ciel wrote: »

Sorry - It wont let me copy/quote your remarks in red.

Why on earth would you let them in?

Why wouldn't I?! They were the police and asked to come in. Surely refusing entry when they have a "immediate at risk" concern about my children would have only made matters worse by refusing them entry - Because, controversially, the police arent there to help you, unless YOU'VE called them. But did you know that's why they were there when you let them in? How would matters be worse? Oh you didn't let the police in, so you must be abusing your children?....

Here's a tip for the future. "Go away"

Again - See above point - Oh I see, You're one of those people.

I fail to see how this helps you in anyway?

Because I didn't know what the report was about so I needed to get a copy - Ok, and like I said, how does that help you now?

great. So hows the 'wasting police time' investigation coming along? Complain, immediately.

They don't see it as a waste of time and wont take my complaint seriously. Have since contacted police commissioner - see above post) - And presumably threatened them with legal action if they fail to take your concerns seriously?

hence, dont let them in, in the future.

Like I said - They asked to come in and said it was about an "incident" - No thank you officer, now is not convenient. Feel free to write to me. - They never said it was about kids etc until they were inside. - Exactly my point! For all I know they could have been coming to tell me someone had died or something. I'm not "on the run" etc so why wouldn't I let them in? - Like I said, you're the guilty until proven innocent type. The question should be, why WOULD you let them in?

A, I can get this "log" on our reports removed - Nope.

Apparently I can - I just don't know how to - A court can order a criminal record is erased, but unless you have several thousand spare, id forget it.

Slander is also a difficult thing to prove in court apparently so not many people sue for this (unless they have money to waste - which I don't)

Slander is not difficult to prove. The 'loss' is the difficult thing to prove.

FBaby

Remember that the police doesn't know the background behind the call. From their perspective, they see someone who made a mistake who believe they had a case to raise concerns and who now feel sorry that they were wrong. Indeed, it is important to them not to deter anyone making an anonymous report for fear of then being investigated and potentially cautioned/arrested.

The only thing they have to go by to believe someone is making malicious reports is other report of harassment/numerous unfounded report. If this was the first and you never reported previous incidents, they indeed have nothing to go by to approach her.