Impact on the UK Econemy when Turkey Joins the EU in October

Generali

Filo25 wrote: »

Yeah but apart from that Mayonnaise is there any reason

Much though the Eurosceptics like to imagine the EU as a combination of an all powerful entity that also acts against its best interests all the time. I think its moving well the bounds of reason to see Turkey's membership not getting a single veto from EU member nations if there was a serious attempt to push it through.

Plus it takes about 20 years to get through the acquis, probably more from where Turkey is. Plus Turkish people don't want to join the EU any more than Woking is going to launch an attack on the EPL trophy.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Because Turkey won't be joining anytime soon.
Not because they are slightly less white than Clapton and his ilk would wish, but simply because Turkey is a dictatorship (and increasingly turning into a 'caliphate light' under Erdogan), without freedom of speech, nor free press, where opponents of the state are persecuted in the most brutal way and often disappear without trace. They also happen to have invaded and still illegally occupy half of another EU member state - Cyprus.
There is no place for such a state in the friendly, open, democratic club called the EU.

but is it right to punish the PEOPLE of Trukey because of the failings of their government
surely all right minded people that believe in the free movement of people would wish to grant this 'right' to the PEOPLE of Turkey right now?

I expect at least 20 'thanks' of support from the 'remain' camp

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Sapphire wrote: »

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Note I've just heard that Erdogan has now issued instructions to women to have more offspring because it's a Muslim's duty to do so. If he continues with the islamification, and to undo the work Attaturk did, I can now see that secular people from western Turkey will also want to move to Europe. They do not like Erdogan and are strongly secular.

I could scarcely believe that, so I Googled for a reliable source. Somewhat surprised to find this -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36413097

A government mixing religion and politics. What could possibly go wrong?

WR

CLAPTON

Filo25 wrote: »

Yeah but apart from that Mayonnaise is there any reason

Much though the Eurosceptics like to imagine the EU as a combination of an all powerful entity that also acts against its best interests all the time. I think its moving well the bounds of reason to see Turkey's membership not getting a single veto from EU member nations if there was a serious attempt to push it through.

most brexit people want a more direct and accountable democracy and the ability of the UK government to control taxation, immigration social policy etc.

only a small number of untruth 'remain' people make up the fantasy of the believe in a malevolent entity:

whilst many of us have great sympathy for the millions of young unemployed people in the EU, entirely caused by the mad economics of the EU27, at a political level we just don't want to be directly involved.

gfplux

Sapphire wrote: »

How do you know it's untrue? Where is your evidence? Turkey is a vast country with a very large population, and there are many poor people living in the east. They have had little contact with outsiders, and are religious and traditional, unlike many of the educated Turks who live in Istanbul and Ankara, and other places to the west of the country that have had contact with the West. I would guess that it would not, in general, be the latter who would wish to come here to live.

Note I've just heard that Erdogan has now issued instructions to women to have more offspring because it's a Muslim's duty to do so. If he continues with the islamification, and to undo the work Attaturk did, I can now see that secular people from western Turkey will also want to move to Europe. They do not like Erdogan and are strongly secular.

Sorry Sappire, I was commenting on the original post about Turkey joining the EU. That it is not about to happen, it is not shortly to happen and is very, very unlikely to happen. So to speculate about the numbers who would come and where they would settle is.....
JUST PLAIN SILLY

I certainly bow down to your greater knowledge of Turkey. I have only visited 3 times on Holiday and 4 times on business. I don't speak a word of Turkish or any of the dialects.

Sapphire

gfplux wrote: »

Sorry Sappire, I was commenting on the original post about Turkey joining the EU. That it is not about to happen, it is not shortly to happen and is very, very unlikely to happen. So to speculate about the numbers who would come and where they would settle is.....
JUST PLAIN SILLY

I certainly bow down to your greater knowledge of Turkey. I have only visited 3 times on Holiday and 4 times on business. I don't speak a word of Turkish or any of the dialects.

I've been to Turkey at least 20 times, so know it reasonably well. I also hear a lot about it through my Turkish in-law and his relatives and friends both in Turkey and in the UK. The ones I know in the UK have been here for a long time and are married to English people. They are well educated and talented, and very loyal to their country. They are very concerned about what is happening to Turkey with the rise of Erdogan, a Muslim extremist, as are all secular people in Turkey. NB I've also studied Turkish ancient history, and know a fair amount about its more modern history. I did try to learn the language once, but found it incredibly difficult – it is very different from English – and gave it up.

On your other point, I don't think it is at all 'silly' to imagine that Turkey would be allowed into the EU. Erdogan is determined to achieve this through a form of blackmail – more so than any other Turkish ruler has been before him – and I believe Merkel would again ride roughshod over other EU members if it suited her ends.:cool:

Sapphire

Wild_Rover wrote: »

I could scarcely believe that, so I Googled for a reliable source. Somewhat surprised to find this -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36413097

A government mixing religion and politics. What could possibly go wrong?

WR

It's really pretty awful, especially given how much the world is suffering from massive overpopulation (far too many people using up the world's resources and contributing to the destruction of the natural world at a very fast pace), and how large the population of Turkey already is.

It's also misogynistic, to say the least. On that subject, I always remember being introduced to a museum director in Turkey by a professor. The director didn't even bother to acknowledge me (I am a female), despite the fact that I was doing beneficial work there, and just talked to the professor! No one has ever done that to me and it doesn't sit well with me – it's something I'll always remember and have learned from. I must stress, though, that no other educated men I've met in Turkey have behaved like that towards me, and this one was a bureaucrat, I believe, rather than any kind of intellectual…

The changes that are being brought about by Erdogan are tragic, and I feel very sad that Turkey is moving backwards from the hard-won achievements of Attaturk. :cool:

Filo25

Sapphire wrote: »

It's really pretty awful, especially given how much the world is suffering from massive overpopulation (far too many people using up the world's resources and contributing to the destruction of the natural world at a very fast pace), and how large the population of Turkey already is.

It is tragic, and I feel very sad that Turkey is moving backwards from the hard-won achievements of Attaturk. :cool:

Agreed, I know a few people there myself and they are all very worried about the direction of the country.

CLAPTON

Filo25 wrote: »

Agreed, I know a few people there myself and they are all very worried about the direction of the country.

so not unthinkable, that if the Turks were allowed free access to the EU, a considerable number might use that right to migrate to the UK and other EU states.

mayonnaise

Sapphire wrote: »

It's really pretty awful, especially given how much the world is suffering from massive overpopulation (far too many people using up the world's resources and contributing to the destruction of the natural world at a very fast pace), and how large the population of Turkey already is.

It's also misogynistic, to say the least. On that subject, I always remember being introduced to a museum director in Turkey by a professor. The director didn't even bother to acknowledge me (I am a female), despite the fact that I was doing beneficial work there, and just talked to the professor! No one has ever done that to me and it doesn't sit well with me – it's something I'll always remember and have learned from. I must stress, though, that no other educated men I've met in Turkey have behaved like that towards me, and this one was a bureaucrat, I believe, rather than any kind of intellectual…

The changes that are being brought about by Erdogan are tragic, and I feel very sad that Turkey is moving backwards from the hard-won achievements of Attaturk. :cool:

It's absolutely tragic, I agree.
Another reason why Turkey doesn't fit into the EU, as one of the EU's founding values is gender equality.
http://ec.europa.eu/justice/gender-equality/
No chance of Turkey joining then, glad we sorted that out.