Impact on the UK Econemy when Turkey Joins the EU in October

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

it that less or more interesting that you don't?

People are panicking in case a bunch of people that don't want to join the EU and have no chance of joining the EU join the EU? Sounds a bit mental to me.

A bit like the idea that Switzerland, a country that does not want to join the EU might not join the EU. Or that there is some significance that Australia, a country not in Europe, might not join the EU.

Sapphire

missbiggles1 wrote: »

I've never thought of people fom Turkey as being "non white" - interesting that you do.;)

Depends. There are several different ethnic groups in Turkey, and some are distinctly 'non-white', but Middle Eastern looking – which is not surprising given that only a tiny area of this vast country is actually in Europe.

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

People are panicking in case a bunch of people that don't want to join the EU and have no chance of joining the EU join the EU? Sounds a bit mental to me.

A bit like the idea that Switzerland, a country that does not want to join the EU might not join the EU. Or that there is some significance that Australia, a country not in Europe, might not join the EU.

yes it is interesting isn't it?

it does seem amasing that a (small) number of 'remain ' on this board are absolutely panic struck and even call the every suggestion that Turkey might join, as 'scare mongering' : whatever can they mean?

But in truth I am very concerned on your behalf, about the future of Aus, as you have so eloquantly described life outside a 500, million super power and what a sad castrosphic fate awaits.

gfplux

CLAPTON wrote: »

since we are guessing, I think that at least 3 million will come and that 90% will come to london (based on current habitat of Turkish people in the UK)
so the population of london will increase from about 8 million to about 10.7 million (plus of course other immigrants ) so lets asay about 11.5 million : absolutley no hope for young Uk born people to live in a family sized house


we have to remember that Turkey is a dysfunctional, corrupt, extremist, undemocratic country which will mean far more people will come here that from Italy.

This is a blatant untruth aimed at causing confusion.
Also Frankly silly.

Sapphire

gfplux wrote: »

This is a blatant untruth aimed at causing confusion.
Also Frankly silly.

How do you know it's untrue? Where is your evidence? Turkey is a vast country with a very large population, and there are many poor people living in the east. They have had little contact with outsiders, and are religious and traditional, unlike many of the educated Turks who live in Istanbul and Ankara, and other places to the west of the country that have had contact with the West. I would guess that it would not, in general, be the latter who would wish to come here to live.

Note I've just heard that Erdogan has now issued instructions to women to have more offspring because it's a Muslim's duty to do so. If he continues with the islamification, and to undo the work Attaturk did, I can now see that secular people from western Turkey will also want to move to Europe. They do not like Erdogan and are strongly secular.

Generali

Sapphire wrote: »

How do you know it's untrue? Where is your evidence? Turkey is a vast country with a very large population, and there are many poor people living in the east. They have had little contact with outsiders, and are religious and traditional, unlike many of the educated Turks who live in Istanbul and Ankara, and other places to the west of the country that have had contact with the West. I would guess that it would not, in general, be the latter who would wish to come here to live.

Mostly because Turkish people don't seem to want Turkey to join the EU & there is absolutely no chance that they could get the laws in place to join by October.

It's a bit like discussing the out of Woking FC's winning the Premier League by October. There's quite a lot to be done before that's even remotely relevant!

CLAPTON

gfplux wrote: »

This is a blatant untruth aimed at causing confusion.
Also Frankly silly.

interesting to know what the you and the usual EU acolytes consider 'blatant untruth'

was it

a. I have a different guess to you?

or was it

we have to remember that Turkey is a dysfunctional, corrupt, extremist, undemocratic country which will mean far more people will come here that from Italy.

truely awesome now what EU acolytes call 'a blatant untruth'

mayonnaise

missbiggles1 wrote: »

I've never thought of people fom Turkey as being "non white" - interesting that you do.;)

Very interesting and revealing indeed.

mayonnaise

Sapphire wrote: »

How do you know it's untrue?

Because Turkey won't be joining anytime soon.
Not because they are slightly less white than Clapton and his ilk would wish, but simply because Turkey is a dictatorship (and increasingly turning into a 'caliphate light' under Erdogan), without freedom of speech, nor free press, where opponents of the state are persecuted in the most brutal way and often disappear without trace. They also happen to have invaded and still illegally occupy half of another EU member state - Cyprus.
There is no place for such a state in the friendly, open, democratic club called the EU.

Filo25

Yeah but apart from that Mayonnaise is there any reason

Much though the Eurosceptics like to imagine the EU as a combination of an all powerful entity that also acts against its best interests all the time. I think its moving well the bounds of reason to see Turkey's membership not getting a single veto from EU member nations if there was a serious attempt to push it through.