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moneyistooshorttomention

Hmmm....but then it is very difficult to accept having a body that needs "tinkering with" of any description in order to function normally and not disturb us (ie the occupant of said body).

It is very difficult to get one's head around needing to make any artificial adjustments to one's body of any description - even if you've read all the info. that indicates your parents/maybe your grandparents/etc/etc havent had optimum conditions for their bodies and therefore logic dictates there will have been a knock-on effect to yours.

Add all the "mucking around" Planet Earth has been subjected to and some of which will impact back on your body and maybe even yourself (ie your emotions/thoughts/etc). It's not easy sometimes (much of the time) to deal with how these external factors might affect "you" personally. Logic tells you you might be affected by a variety of factors external to "your Self" and that many other people are - but....:cool:

Personally - I think it must take a very exceptional person not to be "depressed" at living on Planet Earth (as it's so "challenging") and I doubt there are more than a (very small) percentage of people that can sail through it feeling perfectly calm/optimistic/etc/etc for even the majority of their lives here. To say life on Earth is "challenging" counts as supreme understatement I would say...

mumps

missbiggles1 wrote: »

The point I was making, which seems to have escaped you, is that "chemicals" can be a good thing, whether inherent in a foodstuff or added at some point later. If someone needs to eat more iron to their diet, it matters not one jot whether they get it from eating spinach, from some food that's been fortified with added iron or by taking iron tablets.

As for sugar, pure fruit juice can rot your teeth in exactly the same way that "unclean " fizzy drinks can, as research into tooth decay in children is now showing and many fruits are actually quite high in calories, a fact that some dieters ignore.

I believe raisins are a big culprit in tooth decay.

mumps

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

RE 'natural' and 'unnatural' stuff. I once read a book about depression written by a psychiatrist, in which he said that many people refused antidepressants because they were not 'natural'. He said 'you want natural? OK, you drink the petroleum and I'll drink the Coca-Cola '.

I like that and it reminds me of late MIL who was forever trying to push the latest health fad on me, when I was pregnant she was trying to get me to take some natural supplement and I said I wouldn't take it as I was pregnant. She would smile and say but its natural. I snapped one day and said "so it deadly nightshade, would you like some?"

seven-day-weekend

mumps wrote: »

I like that and it reminds me of late MIL who was forever trying to push the latest health fad on me, when I was pregnant she was trying to get me to take some natural supplement and I said I wouldn't take it as I was pregnant. She would smile and say but its natural. I snapped one day and said "so it deadly nightshade, would you like some?"

Give me stuff that's been tried and tested any day. I want something that is known about, and what doseage to take, and what the side effects are, and if it's effective or not.

Commercial antidepressants helped my husband. St John's Wort didn't. (He found out much later that you have to take a HUGE dose for it to make any difference, and then it sometimes still isn't effective).

Before the drugs I take for my restless legs syndrome were licensed, I had no choice but to to try natural methods. None were effective for very long. It was such a relief when I was able to have something that actually helped. before that, the only thing that helped was a totally un-natural drug called codeine, which I didn't like taking because of the awful side effects (as well as being highly addictive).

People seem to think it more about antidepressants than anything else, they don't complain if the Dr gives them antibiotics (which actually are far more 'risky' than antidepressants because of all the bugs becoming used to them due to over-prescription).

Why this stigma against antidepressants I have no idea.

Ames

My dad told me that depression is just an invention by doctors and pharma companies to keep them in jobs. He used to hide my anti depressants when I lived with him.

It's bizarre - no-one would say 'oh, you've broken your leg, the best thing is just to walk around on it and it'll heal on it's own'.

I think it's all mixed up with attitudes to mental illness full stop. And possibly a fear that having a prescription for meds in your medical history will cause problems in the future, label you as 'a crazy' or whatever.

NewShadow

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

RE 'natural' and 'unnatural' stuff. I once read a book about depression written by a psychiatrist, in which he said that many people refused antidepressants because they were not 'natural'. He said 'you want natural? OK, you drink the petroleum and I'll drink the Coca-Cola '.

From a functional level, we cook our food, live in houses, artificially control our body temperatures, our exposure to light, our sleep schedules, our body chemistry (digestive and oral flora and our skin and hair pH)...

Add to that the lack of any consistent clinical evidence in the increased nutritional value (or decrease in chemical contamination) of organic food.

I'm quite content with the idea that some of my food may have additives or supplements (such as calcium, vitamins B-1, B-2, B-3, and iron in flour; or calcium and vitamins A and D in soy milk) which have been added to reduce the populations risk of disease and deficiency.

It's the same as I'd never be the type to refuse vaccinations - just because I'm healthy and willing to take the risk doesn't mean I should compromise the safety of the immune suppressed person down the road that relies on out herd immunity to stay well.

Rejecting some artificial advances based purely on them being 'artificial' seems a little tokenistic from a comfortable western 21st century perspective.

seven-day-weekend

Ames wrote: »

My dad told me that depression is just an invention by doctors and pharma companies to keep them in jobs. He used to hide my anti depressants when I lived with him.

It's bizarre - no-one would say 'oh, you've broken your leg, the best thing is just to walk around on it and it'll heal on it's own'.

I think it's all mixed up with attitudes to mental illness full stop. And possibly a fear that having a prescription for meds in your medical history will cause problems in the future, label you as 'a crazy' or whatever.

Precisely. neither would anyone ask you what you had got to have a broken leg about and to count your blessings, everyone has a sore leg sometimes. Neither would you be expected to pretend you didn't have a broken leg, nor to try and hide it from other people. Neither would people think you were weak or self-indulgent if you had a broken leg.


Oh. It makes me so mad!

Sorry, very off-topic, rant over.

Andypandyboy

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Hmmm....but then it is very difficult to accept having a body that needs "tinkering with" of any description in order to function normally and not disturb us (ie the occupant of said body).

It is very difficult to get one's head around needing to make any artificial adjustments to one's body of any description - even if you've read all the info. that indicates your parents/maybe your grandparents/etc/etc havent had optimum conditions for their bodies and therefore logic dictates there will have been a knock-on effect to yours.

Add all the "mucking around" Planet Earth has been subjected to and some of which will impact back on your body and maybe even yourself (ie your emotions/thoughts/etc). It's not easy sometimes (much of the time) to deal with how these external factors might affect "you" personally. Logic tells you you might be affected by a variety of factors external to "your Self" and that many other people are - but....:cool:

Personally - I think it must take a very exceptional person not to be "depressed" at living on Planet Earth (as it's so "challenging") and I doubt there are more than a (very small) percentage of people that can sail through it feeling perfectly calm/optimistic/etc/etc for even the majority of their lives here. To say life on Earth is "challenging" counts as supreme understatement I would say...

You see, I don't have much truck with sort of thinking if you are relatively healthy and of sound mind, and enough money to get by.. Understandable, if for example, you are grieving, but not a mind set for those who don't have any real problems.

Many people are clinically depressed, it is an illness, but your statement implies that we should all feel that way. Hopeless and helpless and making more of the ills of the world than the beauty.

I think the opposite, I think that if we have health in mind and body and people we love, it is up to us to make the best of every day and look for the positive.

There are so many people who, through terminal illness, (and even then in the face of that some manage to stay positive, as Gingervamp's thread testifies) have no option but to leave those they love, that the rest of us should just count our blessings and try to make a difference.

The rest of it are just first world problems blown out of proportion. In my opinion.:D

seven-day-weekend

I too found money's post very grim and hopeless and negative, not seeing any of the very positive things our beautiful, exciting and surprising planet has to offer.

Yes, of course you will feel 'depressed' if you always see the worst in everything, but this is not the same as clinical depression.

Poppie68

Blimey you lot, who would of thought a simple post about splitting a restaurant bill could rival War and Peace in the longest read stakes....