one of our party cant go - holiday is fully paid but still having to pay more again?!

missbiggles1

blindman wrote: »

So you think you're in the Travel Industry!

Yet you say it's a sales Job.


Make your mind up.

I never said I was in the travel industry, I said I had many years experience of it.

Lots of jobs in any industry are sales jobs, whether T&T, banking, insurance, recruitment - I could go on..... "Sales" isn't a separate industry in its own right, it's a function or department of virtually all industries (even education).

missbiggles1

Moto2 wrote: »

Not at all, I avoid business fares if I can, Flybe, Easyjet, Ryanair etc.
I always buy them at normal budget prices rather than the flexible business rates as it works out cheaper even with missing some of them and having to book a last minute one as a replacement.

Discussed on here.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g1-i10702-k4588858-Purchasing_Round_Trip_Tickets_for_One_Way_Flight-Air_Travel.html

Moto2

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Discussed on here.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g1-i10702-k4588858-Purchasing_Round_Trip_Tickets_for_One_Way_Flight-Air_Travel.html

I'm sure it is discussed on TA
I'm just letting you know how it works in practice, feel free to take it in or disregard as you you see fit.

missbiggles1

Moto2 wrote: »

I'm sure it is discussed on TA
I'm just letting you know how it works in practice, feel free to take it in or disregard as you you see fit.

The fact that they don't always do it in practice doesn't mean that they couldn't do it if they wanted to as it's in the T&Cs.

"
Throwaway Ticketing
When faced with a $2,684 one-way flight compared to a $988 roundtrip ticket on the same airline for the same departure date to the same gateway, you may feel the urge to call up a certain airline and tell them where they can put their one-way fare. After all, you're paying over three times the price for half the goods. So why not buy the roundtrip ticket for the same departure date and skip the second flight?

Unfortunately, the airlines are onto travelers who participate in what they call "throwaway ticketing" (although we prefer the more appropriate term, "turning the tables"): booking a roundtrip flight and only using one of your tickets in order to save money over a more expensive one-way flight. Most airlines have a restrictive clause in their terms and conditions that bans throwaway ticketing. For example, Delta's website says the airline prohibits "Throw-away ticketing -- use of discounted roundtrip excursion fares for one-way travel." As punishment, the airline threatens to confiscate unused flight coupons, refuse boarding or even charge the passenger for the more expensive one-way flight.

Although throwaway ticketing is taboo according to airline executives, many travelers risk getting caught and do it anyway. Your airline might never notice. Travel agents tend to stay away from the practice because airlines may threaten to refuse tickets to agents who help travelers book throwaway tickets. Bottom line: Engage in throwaway ticketing at your own risk."

http://www.independenttraveler.com/travel-tips/air-travel/how-to-save-on-one-way-flights

Moto2

I think you've misunderstood what I do

I don't book a return with no intention of using the return leg, I book it with every intention of using it, it's just that sometimes I don't make it.
Which in a sense is part of the OPs issue.
Your explanation is for those that deliberately try to use only the outward leg.

missbiggles1

duchy wrote: »

With respect in the context of the holiday maker that's utter rubbish. The frequent business traveller doing it on a very regular basis and easily tracked through a FF programme it's a possibility but even then the risk is very, very small so please stop scaremongering or post a link to where this actually happened to a holidaymaker.

Regarding air fares, see my earlier posts, for ferries an example of what can happen -

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2004/jul/17/consumerissues.travel

missbiggles1

Moto2 wrote: »

I think you've misunderstood what I do

I don't book a return with no intention of using the return leg, I book it with every intention of using it, it's just that sometimes I don't make it.
Which in a sense is part of the OPs issue.
Your explanation is for those that deliberately try to use only the outward leg.

I understand what you're saying but an airline won't know which group someone falls into.

Moto2

... And that's why they don't do anything

duchy

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Regarding air fares, see my earlier posts, for ferries an example of what can happen -

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2004/jul/17/consumerissues.travel

But not what DOES happen.

The airlines certainly could(try) but they don't......they most they will do with regards to the occassional traveller is plant vague mumblings about what they COULD do to discourage the practice but without proof it was deliberate and a regular practice by the traveller they wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

The bad press if they did would outweigh the revenue benefits-It'd simply be bad business.

It's like the current popularity of flying from Dublin to the US and dropping the last sector and exiting in LON-it is discouraged but almost impossible to prove as all the traveller has to say is they felt unwell on the transatlantic flight and weren't well enough to travel on the last leg. The onus would be on the airline to prove otherwise - which would be almost impossible .

(In the example quoted Brittany ferries were on very weak ground as the right to charge the additional fee is not in their published T&C and are likely to be deemed as acting unlawfully if it ever got to court. The fact airlines have more clued up legal advisors is why you were unable to find any examples pertaining to air travel)

SW17

duchy wrote: »

But not what DOES happen.

The airlines certainly could(try) but they don't......they most they will do with regards to the occassional traveller is plant vague mumblings about what they COULD do to discourage the practice but without proof it was deliberate and a regular practice by the traveller they wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

The bad press if they did would outweigh the revenue benefits-It'd simply be bad business.

It's like the current popularity of flying from Dublin to the US and dropping the last sector and exiting in LON-it is discouraged but almost impossible to prove as all the traveller has to say is they felt unwell on the transatlantic flight and weren't well enough to travel on the last leg. The onus would be on the airline to prove otherwise - which would be almost impossible .

I'd agree with you that as it stands today airlines are showing no appetite for pursuing individual travellers through the courts on this.

BA are going after travel agents who are issuing a lot of tickets starting outside the UK, if the final legs are not flown. TAs are of course a softer target and easily penalised via ADMs and/or withdrawal of ticketing rights. Corporate customers are also getting warnings about this via their agents.

If they were to go after individuals, it would probably be via their BA Avios balances and status, both of which they could zero without needing to take legal action. If neither of those matter to a traveller and they book direct with the airline, they are going to be ok (at least for now).