The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

No no.

You're not wriggling out of this.

Better Together didn't lie.

What you're essentially saying is that I can say anything about the status quo right now, such as the Moon orbits the Earth, and the moment that stops being true (billions of millennia from now) you can come back and tell me that because I said that aeons ago when it was true, that you can call me a liar because that circumstance has since changed.

That is your logic here is it not?

No,no,no.

I'm not wriggling. I stated as did the SNP that there has been a significant and fundamental change from the circumstances of 2014.

I accepted 2014 result, but the current position warrants a review of the question posed.

IveSeenTheLight

LABMAN wrote: »

The one that says?:-

The extensive dailyrecord.co.uk survey in association with Google also reveals support for the SNP is way down from its 2015 level.

It was historically high.
No party has ever achieved such a high percentage of the popular vote in the history of UK politics as far as I am aware.

It's understandable that it could be lower than in 2015.

But that's deflecting from the point made on independence.

Post independence, any party could get a majority at Hollywood, not just the SNP

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You really don't want to have this argument - you will lose, it's been gone over time and time again and always comes back to the same points.

- Conservative manifesto, people were aware of the commitment to an EU referendum so leaving was a possibility
- No guarantee of Conservative government in 2015 but it was a possibility
- Everything that Better Together said regarding the EU during the 2014 indy ref was correct.

Get over it.

Not a chance ISTL and myself were here during the lead up to the last referendum. It was posters like us that kept bringing up the prospect of an EU referendum and the possible consequences of a Leave vote.

We were treated and spoken to with the same obvious distain you seem to be displaying now. It also seems to have escaped your notice that Scotland remaining in the EU was a HUGE part of BetterTogether campain. It was hammered home time and time and time again that the only way Scotland could stay in the EU was to vote No. Many people did so on that basis.

Folks like myself and ISTL have also been proved right about the absolute nonsense peddled 24/7 saying that a Yes vote meant Scotland would leave the EU immediately, the day after in fact. String posted this as fact regularly. We said it would take years to leave the EU, since proven.

Shakethedisease

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

It was historically high.
No party has ever achieved such a high percentage of the popular vote in the history of UK politics as far as I am aware.

It's understandable that it could be lower than in 2015.

But that's deflecting from the point made on independence.

Post independence, any party could get a majority at Hollywood, not just the SNP

ISTL folks like string and Tricky are under some strange and wonderful delusion whereby the SNP are in power simply because they are. It really is the weirdest thing I've ever seen on a forum. No one ever votes for them apparently.

elantan

It's a large part of the reason I don't read much of their posts ... same old same old

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Not a chance ISTL and myself were here during the lead up to the last referendum. It was posters like us that kept bringing up the prospect of an EU referendum and the possible consequences of a Leave vote.

We were treated and spoken to with the same obvious distain you seem to be displaying now. It also seems to have escaped your notice that Scotland remaining in the EU was a HUGE part of BetterTogether campain. It was hammered home time and time and time again that the only way Scotland could stay in the EU was to vote No. Many people did so on that basis.

Folks like myself and ISTL have also been proved right about the absolute nonsense peddled 24/7 saying that a Yes vote meant Scotland would leave the EU immediately, the day after in fact. String posted this as fact regularly. We said it would take years to leave the EU, since proven.

Ugh... you're going to make me go back to TFEU again to show you that inheritance is not part of the EU treaties?

String was right that Scotland would have lost EU membership with a Yes vote. Everyone including Nicola Sturgeon has accepted that, given her recent pivot towards the EEA. Why not you?

This staunch defense of the indefensible must be starting to wear thin? I wonder when you're going to change your mind because you want an NHS, or a pension, or job opportunities for your family and an education system that works for you and yours.

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I wonder when you're going to change your mind because you want an NHS, or a pension, or job opportunities for your family and an education system that works for you and yours.

Oh so negative........

It's becoming clear, you're a can't do person, whilst we are can do's.

Your post made me recall something like nearly 100 countries have became independent and not one has asked to be re-united.

I'll have a look for it in the morning to get the exact quote / figures.

cogito

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Oh so negative........

It's becoming clear, you're a can't do person, whilst we are can do's.

Your post made me recall something like nearly 100 countries have became independent and not one has asked to be re-united.

I'll have a look for it in the morning to get the exact quote / figures.

Can do? Can do what, exactly? Create an economic basket case?

Shaka_Zulu

Voting day in the local elections.



Also remember:-

Some candidates standing as 'independents' are doing so because they were chucked out of the SNP, so do not vote for an 'independent' unless you know he or she is very clearly pro-UK!

elantan

It was a lot of labour candidates standing as independents I noticed, although I have me one that is no longer SNP
.
Still very much in favour of independence ... funny that you don't have to be SNP to want Indy ... who woulive thought it

And weird how you think if we vote indy we are voting to become a Republic, that subject is not up for voting on ... you trying to attract a certain type of voter with that stuff Shak?