The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

mollycat wrote: »

In English please?

This kind of thing. Davidson and May, it's almost too cringey to watch. I'm torn between absolute amazement and feeling sorry for them being talked into it. Plus apparently they gave up after chapping on four doors and no one came out.

https://twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/858424262432104449

And yes, yes I know the link for the vid is on a Labour guys feed. But it's all over twitter and FB. This was just the first retweet onto mine of many today.

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Shakethedisease wrote: »

The action plan string is to have a referendum and let the people decide whether the deficit, Brexit, GERS, oil and Tory Govts/SNP Govts will see Scots voters want to stay in the UK or leave it. You can repeat the same sort of things in your post as often as you like but at the end of the day it'll be up to those in Scotland to weigh up the pros and cons and where their priorities lie. And if you're really honest with yourself it is the cons they've been fed 24/7 for the last six years.

Glad some poll somewhere finally asked the question.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/scots-to-back-independence-referendum-if-snp-leads-poll-gz8tl5t2f



Independence 51%, Brexit UK 48%.

I'm not surprised there is no Action Plan, you did not understand what it is. Hint - it''s not about deceitful political plotting, it's about how to run the Scottish economy.

Where is the Action Plan?

As for the rest, we will see what happens in the GE; but it is not the number of seats that is important.

There is a high likelyhood that there will be a transitional period after Brexit during which the trade arrangements will be agreed. Only after that will the substance of Brexit be known for Scots to make any sort of choice, if such is still wanted by them of course.

Naturally that would not sit well with the SNP who must be terrified by the prospect of another Scottish Election.

The Scots have not been conned by the UK, that is what the SNP do.

elantan

How come Scotland needs an action plan for its economy but the UK doesn't have an action plan for Brexit or basically anything else ... unless of course your talking Brexit means Brexit it will be a red white and blue brext and stronger and stable

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elantan wrote: »

How come Scotland needs an action plan for its economy but the UK doesn't have an action plan for Brexit or basically anything else ... unless of course your talking Brexit means Brexit it will be a red white and blue brext and stronger and stable

Are you trying to argue that the SNP should not state clearly how they will deal with the aftermath of being seoarated from the UK, possibly with a major loss trade with it's predominant trading partner (see TT's posts on this), and the abrupt necessity to deal with a very large deficit and a very large national debt.

elantan, you claim not to be an SNP acolyte, with the closed mind that implies, so why do you not expect more from the SNP in the way of a clear descrption of how they are going to deal with these things.

Don't forget that Scotland is not a sovereign country with all the institution's that are needed, so it will take time to bring these together and they will cost money, a lot of money. Should you not be interested in knowing how long it will take to be up and running.

Does it not concern you that the SNP has stirred up an unforgiving distrust of their honesty in the rUK which would have a very adverse effect on any support the UK might, repeat might, have given to a fledgling Natland.

Are you saying you are satisfied with being driven when the driver is blind and won't tell you their travel plan?


The UK is an entirely different place, the major parties, the Tories and, still, the Labour party, have certainly got "action plans" for the UK's economy etc, and a whole series of manifestos stretching back over years. For example, the Tory Party has had a plan for dealing with the deficit and thus, following elimination of it, the national debt.There is no need to have plans for setting up embassies or armed forces with it's expensive procurements etc , what the approach will be to the Monarchy, defence, which international institutions will they want to join and when, how will they deal with pensions etc. In fact everything that is needed in a Sovereign state.

As for Brexit, of course there is a plan, we've seen the tip of it excepting the issues where we might or might not have to give ground to the EU and where we think we have pressure points etc. For all it's complexity, Brexit is not as complex as creating a new Sovereign state while at the same time renegotiating a trade agreement.

elantan

Nope I think they should ... what I am stating is the UK government should be much more clear on their policies and plans ... look at Brexit

The Scottish referendum had to have every I dotted and t crossed for some people ... but Brexit well .... it means Brexit dontcha know

What's good for the goose etc

I dot this k it's just the SNP that have caused a distrust look at GE 2015 look at the Tory election style ... that stirred the distrust ... look at labour they stirred it ... I would agree the SNP haven't helped themselves ... but I disagree it's all their fault

Tromking

The SNP's 'Big Beast' Salmond absolutely skewered by Andrew Neil on the Sunday Politics this morning.
Especially like the line on the amount of Government time at Holyrood spent on wobbling about independence in comparison to Scotland's plummeting educational standards. The answer being 43 hours on the former and zero hours on the latter!

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elantan wrote: »

Nope I think they should ... what I am stating is the UK government should be much more clear on their policies and plans ... look at Brexit

The Scottish referendum had to have every I dotted and t crossed for some people ... but Brexit well .... it means Brexit dontcha know

What's good for the goose etc

I dot this k it's just the SNP that have caused a distrust look at GE 2015 look at the Tory election style ... that stirred the distrust ... look at labour they stirred it ... I would agree the SNP haven't helped themselves ... but I disagree it's all their fault

I don't think you grasp the essential difference between Brexit, which is a negotiation where you don't want to expose the detail of your planning to your negotiation adversary and an information package to an electorate to inform them of what is being offered in such a major change to a separation of Scotland from the UK. Whatever one thinks of the quality of detailed information during the Brexit referendum, that time has past; it is now negotiation time.

Quite a different thing.

It's slightly beside the point now because we are where we are, but the distrust of the SNP goes way back to their attitude before, but rsoecially during the Scottish Referendum and subsequent obstructionism. They have worked hard to engender that mistrust, clearly as a policy to sow division, as you well know. It is a trust which I think is now irreversible

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Watching QT must now, I see that the SNP is trying to face both ways on the matter of fishing rights. They seem to be in a right muddle.


I'd be interested to know how this is going down in the Scottish fishing communities.

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Tromking wrote: »

The SNP's 'Big Beast' Salmond absolutely skewered by Andrew Neil on the Sunday Politics this morning.
Especially like the line on the amount of Government time at Holyrood spent on wobbling about independence in comparison to Scotland's plummeting educational standards. The answer being 43 hours on the former and zero hours on the latter!

Obsessions can be great time-wasters!

mollycat

elantan wrote: »

Nope I think they should ... what I am stating is the UK government should be much more clear on their policies and plans ... look at Brexit

The Scottish referendum had to have every I dotted and t crossed for some people ... but Brexit well .... it means Brexit dontcha know

What's good for the goose etc

I dot this k it's just the SNP that have caused a distrust look at GE 2015 look at the Tory election style ... that stirred the distrust ... look at labour they stirred it ... I would agree the SNP haven't helped themselves ... but I disagree it's all their fault

This nonsensical and cliched response is a typical nationalist response to a legitimate question.

But as expected