The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Mortgagefreeman

elantan wrote: »

Take a look at @KatieKhaleesi's Tweet: https://twitter.com/KatieKhaleesi/status/858248537951358976?s=09


Of course it's always the yes side that are nasty ... I blame the SNPPPPPPP

Is that from your Girlfriend? I suppose you're also against taking in Refugees? Nice!

elantan

No actually I welcome refugees to my country, do you not ?
And PS what do refuges have to do with anything ?

IveSeenTheLight

.string. wrote: »

This typifies the approach of the SNP, neglecting to use the considerable devolved powers of Scotland to improve the lot of Scots, preferring instead to let things slide and blame the results of their own inaction on the vile Tories. If Scotland needs more of this or that which is the UK "baseline" plus, of course, the barnet extension, by all means have it, but pay for it

I understand this point, but what I would say is how can you create an effective budget with one hand tied behind your back.

I truly believe the only way you can accuse the devolved parliament of not using its powers is to allow full fiscal autonomy.

Only then, can the devolved governments have full control to alter the economy.

I don't want Barnett formula, I don't want subsidies.
Just give us full autonomy to adjust the economic circumstances to the benefit of the people in Scotland

mrginge

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I understand this point, but what I would say is how can you create an effective budget with one hand tied behind your back.

I truly believe the only way you can accuse the devolved parliament of not using its powers is to allow full fiscal autonomy.

Only then, can the devolved governments have full control to alter the economy.

I don't want Barnett formula, I don't want subsidies.
Just give us full autonomy to adjust the economic circumstances to the benefit of the people in Scotland

So you don't support joining the euro or using GBP then.

mollycat

mrginge wrote: »

So you don't support joining the euro or using GBP then.

Or maintaining current level of benefits and services without increasing tax rates?

Thought not

.string.

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I understand this point, but what I would say is how can you create an effective budget with one hand tied behind your back.

I truly believe the only way you can accuse the devolved parliament of not using its powers is to allow full fiscal autonomy.

Only then, can the devolved governments have full control to alter the economy.

I don't want Barnett formula, I don't want subsidies.
Just give us full autonomy to adjust the economic circumstances to the benefit of the people in Scotland

That's the magic lever argument, but whereas I understand the argument as an academic point it lacks punch because of SNP inaction, as helpfully explained by Shakey.

Things might be more credible if there were an SNP action plan, backed up by economic argument, to show how, from the day after a new Natland came into existance and thus starting with that 12 to 15 billion deficit and debt committments, how long it would take for Scotland to reach a sustainable financial level. I'm sure most Scots would like to have such an Action Plan and know what level of properity would be achieved by it.

So far we just seem to have whinges, excuses and wooly assertions from the SNP, not proven competence.

Anticipating the stock answer of either no answer or "Wny do Scots vote for the SNP"? I reply either nothing or "Because you can fool some of the people some of the time."

elantan

So Theresa May appeared in the middle of a forest in a town hall ... lovely

The booking for the meeting was children's party .. wonder what she has to hide

elantan

https://twitter.com/jamieszymko/status/858375296915058689

Meet the people ... shame on you May


https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/858292568798486529

Well at least it's not a factory today I spoke

mollycat

elantan wrote: »

So Theresa May appeared in the middle of a forest in a town hall ... lovely

The booking for the meeting was children's party .. wonder what she has to hide

elantan wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jamieszymko/status/858375296915058689

Meet the people ... shame on you May


https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/858292568798486529

Well at least it's not a factory today I spoke

In English please?

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

That's the magic lever argument, but whereas I understand the argument as an academic point it lacks punch because of SNP inaction, as helpfully explained by Shakey.

Things might be more credible if there were an SNP action plan, backed up by economic argument, to show how, from the day after a new Natland came into existance and thus starting with that 12 to 15 billion deficit and debt committments, how long it would take for Scotland to reach a sustainable financial level. I'm sure most Scots would like to have such an Action Plan and know what level of properity would be achieved by it.

So far we just seem to have whinges, excuses and wooly assertions from the SNP, not proven competence.

Anticipating the stock answer of either no answer or "Wny do Scots vote for the SNP"? I reply either nothing or "Because you can fool some of the people some of the time."

The action plan string is to have a referendum and let the people decide whether the deficit, Brexit, GERS, oil and Tory Govts/SNP Govts will see Scots voters want to stay in the UK or leave it. You can repeat the same sort of things in your post as often as you like but at the end of the day it'll be up to those in Scotland to weigh up the pros and cons and where their priorities lie. And if you're really honest with yourself it is the cons they've been fed 24/7 for the last six years.

Glad some poll somewhere finally asked the question.

Scots to back independence referendum if SNP leads poll

Most voters in Scotland believe the SNP would have the right to hold another independence referendum if the party wins more than half of the Scottish seats in the general election on June 8.
Last month Theresa May rebuffed Nicola Sturgeon’s request for the UK government to back a second referendum after Scots voted against Brexit, telling the first minister: “Now is not the time.”

However, the latest Panelbase poll for The Sunday Times finds 52% of voters feel the prime minister should not stand in the way if Sturgeon makes a makes a manifesto commitment to secure and independence vote and wins a majority of seats.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/scots-to-back-independence-referendum-if-snp-leads-poll-gz8tl5t2f



Independence 51%, Brexit UK 48%.