The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

elantan

mollycat wrote: »

This nonsensical and cliched response is a typical nationalist response to a legitimate question.

But as expected

Very typical unionist voice ... but as expected

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To turn to the Council, rather than the general election, I know it's AGES until polling day.... well, 3 more full campaigning days till polling day (:eek:) but so far we have had election material from the SNP, the Greens and today from the Conservatives. In the days before the introduction of PR in Local Government this was a Labour seat.

Where the "suffering duck" is the Labour Party? Not a peep around here and there is Labour representation in the Councillors elected from this Ward.

WR

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Wild_Rover wrote: »

To turn to the Council, rather than the general election, I know it's AGES until polling day.... well, 3 more full campaigning days till polling day (:eek:) but so far we have had election material from the SNP, the Greens and today from the Conservatives. In the days before the introduction of PR in Local Government this was a Labour seat.

Where the "suffering duck" is the Labour Party? Not a peep around here and there is Labour representation in the Councillors elected from this Ward.

WR

Vote Tory and send a message to ty be SNP and the Greens - maybe Labour will learn to be effective next time around.

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Vote Tory? Me? :rotfl:

Never happened yet and I doubt it ever will.

WR

Shaka_Zulu

The Fake Sheikh has a go at Ruth Davidson

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/top-nat-hits-out-at-fake-feminist-ruth/

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

I don't think you grasp the essential difference between Brexit, which is a negotiation where you don't want to expose the detail of your planning to your negotiation adversary and an information package to an electorate to inform them of what is being offered in such a major change to a separation of Scotland from the UK. Whatever one thinks of the quality of detailed information during the Brexit referendum, that time has past; it is now negotiation time.

Oh my goodness how niave ! Almost as if the EU doesn't have any idea what the UK has to negotiate with after spending 40 years in the same trading union. Word is that May is going to put a 'we'll walk away with no deal' in the Tory manifesto so that she can walk away round about September. But will have a mandate from UK voters to do so, so there will be nothing else for it.

I'll await with interest the Conservative party manifesto. But if there is such a clause in there, and it's by no means certain just certain journo's hearing rumours. I'd start thinking less about negotiations and more about the chaos that will ensue.

Quite a different thing.

It's slightly beside the point now because we are where we are, but the distrust of the SNP goes way back to their attitude before, but rsoecially during the Scottish Referendum and subsequent obstructionism. They have worked hard to engender that mistrust, clearly as a policy to sow division, as you well know. It is a trust which I think is now irreversible

Mistrust of Westminster has been apparent in Scottish politics for decades. It's just that Scots used to think that Labour would be the best party to buffer from the worst of it. No so now.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Oh my goodness how niave ! Almost as if the EU doesn't have any idea what the UK has to negotiate with after spending 40 years in the same trading union. Word is that May is going to put a 'we'll walk away with no deal' in the Tory manifesto so that she can walk away round about September. But will have a mandate from UK voters to do so, so there will be nothing else for it.
I'll await with interest the Conservative party manifesto. But if there is such a clause in there, and it's by no means certain just certain journo's hearing rumours. I'd start thinking less about negotiations and more about the chaos that will ensue.

I think you over exaggerate the level of chaos that would ensue if the UK declared UDI from the EU. The sun would still rise the next day for the worlds 5th biggest economy and any chaos inducing behaviour from then on would have to come from the EU side as the UK as regards trade would be content to keep the status quo and maybe latterly (at the EU's behest) adopt WTO rules that would be equally negative to businesses on the mainland as it would be to the UK.
I think the PM has indeed made the calculation that two years of fannying around with EU Mandarin's may grate with the British people eventually and perhaps walking away wouldn't be the disaster you would suggest.
She`s played Wee Sturgeon off the park, I wouldn't bet against PM May doing the same with the Europeans.

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I've little doubt that May would walk away from a bad deal and also no doubt that she does not want that to be the result. It is pre-negotiation posturing and she-who-likes-to-call-people-naive is naive to read any more into it than that.

elantan

https://twitter.com/BjCruickshank/status/858785636098199552


Interesting front page tomorrow I see

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

I've little doubt that May would walk away from a bad deal and also no doubt that she does not want that to be the result. It is pre-negotiation posturing and she-who-likes-to-call-people-naive is naive to read any more into it than that.

Is not posturing. The talks are going to fall at the first hurdle, but May's going to make sure the UK ( or perhaps I should say a majority in certain parts of it )...voted for it to happen that way.