The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

elantan

mollycat wrote: »

Where were you, The Moon!? :rotfl:

Leadhills ... ever tried to get a signal there lol ... it's called Leadhills for a very good reason

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Really?
Plenty of Ex-Labour Scots on twitter, albeit relectantly contemplating voting Tory as a way of reducing the risk of indyref2.
FTP will now seemingly always give a you large rump of MP`s at Westminster, but thats not independence is it?

I've already told you. The second indy ref has already been voted through via the Scottish Govt requesting a Section 30 order. This GE changes nothing in that regard. It's done, asked for, waiting on a response. If it's refused, Sturgeon will have plans well laid by now for a vote in some other form that doesn't require a Section 30.

Now read these tweets from the director of Ipsos Mori because I don't want to have to keep repeating them on here. Regarding tactical voting.

Mark Diffley‏ @markdiffley1 2h2 hours ago
Lots of probs with tactical voting in Scot at #ge2017

1) Only 9 seats where majority is under 11%

2) 3 of those seats are not held by SNP.

3) In 38 of the SNP's seats, you could add Con, Lab, LD vote from 2015 and the SNP would still win.

4) In many seats (e.g. D&G, Ab Sth) Lab and Tories quite close in 2015 so which way do you switch?

5) Oh, and then how you arrange and communicate it? Easy to get messaging wrong as we are seeing today

Tactical voting will not reduce the risk of indyref 2. It also seems one of the pro indy 'thinkers' has been reading my mind today. This anti-Tory message we're discussing is a real factor.

But overwhelmingly, this election is good news for supporters of Scottish independence. It is going to throw into sharp contrast the reality of the immediate future of life in the UK, going to squeeze Labour out of a friendly coalition with the Tories and going to saddle Ruth Davidson with the job of answering for Theresa May in Scotland...

...The 'anti-Nats' strategy has been both nasty and may have been temporarily effective – but it has been absolutely nothing in comparison to Scotland's track record of anti-Tory campaigns. That's a much more powerful weapon – and it now belongs to the independence movement.

Indeed, Kezia Dugdale is barely two elections short of her P45. That's only 50 days in 'British Politics Time'. If whomever replaces her decides enough is enough and softens or reverses the party's position on independence, it's all over for unionism.

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/10817/robin-mcalpine-unionists-youve-had-your-fun-polarisation-now-its-our-turn

I agree with McAlpine on this one.

Shakethedisease

davomcdave wrote: »

I don't give a flying fox what you like and what you don't. You had your vote and you lost because you had no plan for a currency and you had no plan as to how to wean yourself off the money that Londoners pay to keep Scottish schools and hospitals running.

It's over, you lost. Please just get on with your life. There are no second chances.

There are always second chances when it comes to the ballot box. Sorry, referendum and election results aren't set in stone forever. You're going to have to accept that sooner or later.

Sooner would probably be best.

Shakethedisease

davomcdave wrote: »

What would have been enough would have been winning your referendum. Your lot mucked it up. I'd say I'm sorry but I'm just not.

Next time you have a once in a generation or lifetime opportunity try not to let it slip through your hands. Maybe you could give some advice to the next generation as to how not to let a once in a lifetime or generation opportunity go.

I'd be gutted in your position, gutted. But sometimes you simply have to admit that you screwed up and move on.

Better luck next generation or lifetime.

Around spring 2019 most likely. Something else you're going to have to accept. Thanks for the good wishes though !

davomcdave

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There are always second chances when it comes to the ballot box. Sorry, referendum and election results aren't set in stone forever. You're going to have to accept that sooner or later.

Sooner would probably be best.

So Big Al lied when he said the last referendum was a once in a generation or lifetime opportunity. You finally admit that after years of denial.

It's a start.

You still don't get a neverendum even if you really squeeze your eyes tight shut and wish with all your heart.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I've already told you. The second indy ref has already been voted through via the Scottish Govt requesting a Section 30 order. This GE changes nothing in that regard. It's done, asked for, waiting on a response. If it's refused, Sturgeon will have plans well laid by now for a vote in some other form that doesn't require a Section 30.

Now read these tweets from the director of Ipsos Mori because I don't want to have to keep repeating them on here. Regarding tactical voting.

Tactical voting will not reduce the risk of indyref 2. It also seems one of the pro indy 'thinkers' has been reading my mind today. This anti-Tory message we're discussing is a real factor.

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/10817/robin-mcalpine-unionists-youve-had-your-fun-polarisation-now-its-our-turn

I agree with McAlpine on this one.

Bottom line, Sturgeon will not call a referendum she cannot win and is a referendum that isn't SEC 30 compliant, a referendum at all?
I`m not sure PM May denying Sturgeon`s planned indyref2 will cause the groundswell of indignation that you claim, especially with 60%+ of Scots agreeing with her about the timing.
As usual you extrapolate too much from votes cast for the SNP and the resultant seats gained in a nice safe non-referendum ballot.
A significant reduction in the share of the vote for the SNP at the GE, regardless of seats lost, kills independence stone dead till 2022, unless Brexit of course is a complete disaster then everything is again ups for grabs, including the UK bottling Brexit completely to keep Scotland within the Union.:)
Lest we forget only Glasgow in indyref1 voted for indpendence in 2014.Thats your problem, not justifying a mandate for a second referendum gained from a Westminster or Holyrood election.

wotsthat

The best time to get people to say they'd do something brave is well before they'd actually do it and the worst time is when they're about to do it.

Polls are only polls but they seem to be suggesting only Sturgeon believes leaving the Union is the natural response to the UK leaving the EU. It's also beyond reason to think that an ex-labour voters are converts to the cause. They've just stopped voting labour for clear reasons and I don't believe one of those reasons is an automatic desire for independence.

Bring it on I say. By the next Olympics we should be ready for a Gold in navel gazing. At least the GE means we've solved the issues around the flame haired mental, Syria, North Korea and migrants for the time being.

TrickyTree83

Tromking wrote: »

Bottom line, Sturgeon will not call a referendum she cannot win and is a referendum that isn't SEC 30 compliant, a referendum at all?
I`m not sure PM May denying Sturgeon`s planned indyref2 will cause the groundswell of indignation that you claim, especially with 60%+ of Scots agreeing with her about the timing.
As usual you extrapolate too much from votes cast for the SNP and the resultant seats gained in a nice safe non-referendum ballot.
A significant reduction in the share of the vote for the SNP at the GE, regardless of seats lost, kills independence stone dead till 2022, unless Brexit of course is a complete disaster then everything is again ups for grabs, including the UK bottling Brexit completely to keep Scotland within the Union.:)
Lest we forget only Glasgow in indyref1 voted for indpendence in 2014.Thats your problem, not justifying a mandate for a second referendum gained from a Westminster or Holyrood election.

The fact there's still arguments over whether one is held means they're many many hurdles away.

They've yet to win the arguments rather than rely on the mis-informed and careless in order to convince more than 50% of the electorate. Of course the fanatics will always remain, screaming loudly.

elantan

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OLwSM5DHhGA


Lesley Riddoch talking sense again I see

mrginge

Great to see Nicola begging labour and lib dems to help them out in their cause.

Also great to see both of them telling her where to go.

But then again, after spending years slagging both parties off and discounting them as busted flushes it's hardly surprising.

At least we know that it'll be painted as the great Nicola holding out the hand of friendship and the establishment giving [STRIKE]her[/STRIKE] sorry I meant all of scotland a slap. Again.
All good propoganda for operation independence eh shakey!