The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I don't really care either way or who makes mistakes. Both blogs are unashamedly partisan at opposite ends of the debate. Links to Hague's blog on here therefore should come with caveats.
Nothing is forever. NI can leave the UK via a border poll should the majority of NI residents wish to. Scotland has the same rights should a majority of Scottish votes wish to leave. Scotland isn't a colony lol. There is no UK without Scotland. And there must be some means to express that will should it arise. Ie a peaceful democratic vote.

I'm talking about having to means to express the will to leave via a vote. Should Scotland have a vote and express the will to leave. Then Westminster can deal with it with whatever grace it likes. However, Scotland must have a vote first and foremost.
The fact that he feels the need to carp on and break down the SNP's manifesto in order to try and find something there that supports his view that there should not be another referendum. Is evidence that he does not wish one to happen. He does not wish one to happen, even in the face of Brexit and everything else which has changed since 2014.. because he is frightened of the result.

You're right, you don't care who makes mistakes as long as the message is correct.

Hague writes up his own caveats, people can see them for themselves there's no need to double up on that. Someone who admits and corrects their mistakes is trustworthy to most.

You're right, nothing is forever, but that is what it says. In law the Westminster parliament has absolute power over the constitutional affairs of the citizens of the UK. End of. Northern Ireland is not Scotland, even Westminster recognises the constitutional differences between the two. Scotland is not a colony, it is part of the UK. You mean there is no Great Britain without Scotland. There is a means to express that will, you had it in 2014, it can only come about by the same means once again. If not, it will be illegal.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You're right, you don't care who makes mistakes as long as the message is correct.

Hague writes up his own caveats, people can see them for themselves there's no need to double up on that. Someone who admits and corrects their mistakes is trustworthy to most.

Your opinion. Not mine. Personally I think Hague is a bit fame hungry and ego driven. He hits up every media commentator/newspaper and Scottish TV channel going every time he writes something hoping to get on air with it. Quite funny seeing him hawking his wares. Campbell for all his faults doesn't need to do so. The readers come to him.

You're right, nothing is forever, but that is what it says. In law the Westminster parliament has absolute power over the constitutional affairs of the citizens of the UK. End of. Northern Ireland is not Scotland, even Westminster recognises the constitutional differences between the two. Scotland is not a colony, it is part of the UK.

Voluntarily, at the moment.

You mean there is no Great Britain without Scotland.

No, I meant the UK.

There is a means to express that will, you had it in 2014, it can only come about by the same means once again.

That's a legal precedent for you right there. Cameron unfortunately did not specify any time limits on the next one.

If not, it will be illegal.

Say what you like about Sturgeon but she didn't come down in the last shower and she plays it straight. She wouldn't hold an illegal referendum/vote because it would cause too much chaos and questioning, she'll go for a legal one. Through the Scottish/UK/EU and International courts if necessary I imagine. Probably well prepared for the possibility already.

Mistermeaner

what a colossal waste of time and money and to what end

mayonnaise

Mistermeaner wrote: »

what a colossal waste of time and money and to what end

The Brexit discussion is in another thread.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

What is the full text of the Motion before MSPs?

This one. The other parties have all put forward amendments. Note in particular the first two lines, you might be hearing a bit more about the coming few months.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

UK wide media is only spoon feeding you one side of this. Always has done when it comes to the SNP.

Your finely honed grievance toward England would have you believe that obviously, but the opposite is true.
Sturgeon is IMO lauded in large parts of a fawning UK wide media, from my vantage point it's only when the SNP and Sturgeon meet their fellow Scots do they get any form of serious stick.
You may wish to see this as Scots vs the rest, but the elephant in the room is your fellows Scots are now the SNP's biggest critics.

Shaka_Zulu

Get your own house in order Nicola before you start grandstanding

Worth a look at this ITV news report

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-03-21/its-a-ghetto-sturgeons-constituents-warn-referendum-distracting-her-from-pressing-issues/

elantan

Ahhh ye old ghetto conditions that Sturgeon constituents are living in

Ran by a labour council for god knows how long ... and being devolved to local councils to deal with ... which happen to be labour ...

Such a shame it's not a SNP council cause then u might have a leg to stand on

Maybe in May that may change though ... we will see

Thrugelmir

elantan wrote: »

Ahhh ye old ghetto conditions that Sturgeon constituents are living in

Ran by a labour council for god knows how long ... and being devolved to local councils to deal with ... which happen to be labour ...

Such a shame it's not a SNP council cause then u might have a leg to stand on

Maybe in May that may change though ... we will see

Point still stands though. Spending all your time on a personal crusade at the expense of everyday matters is akin to throwing a boomerang. It's going to come back and hit you at some point. Increasingly looking like a one trick pony. While the rest of the UK moves forward.

.string.

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

Get your own house in order Nicola before you start grandstanding

Worth a look at this ITV news report

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-03-21/its-a-ghetto-sturgeons-constituents-warn-referendum-distracting-her-from-pressing-issues/

I'm sure she is very proud of her constituency and regards it as a model for the whole of Scotland run by the best government most suited by their needs.