The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

We all missed you Tricky. Welcome back! :rotfl:

I'm not talking economics, or again did no one read my post properly?

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Actually, the timing of this demand for indy ref 2 has *everything* to do with rUK !

You know that the SNP are trying to back May in to a corner at a time when we will be entering difficult A50 negotiations.

Leave the bear alone !

The bear awoke on 23rd June last year. Two nations out of the four in the UK are trying to run away as fast as possible in case you haven't noticed.

The UK negotiations have been hobbled already. Both by NI and what's going on in Scotland. Gibraltar is also in the mix re Spain so May's already in a corner. You just don't want to see it. Sturgeon calling for a section 30 has severely limited May's negotiating power on behalf of the whole of the UK. Enda Kennedy will do the rest for NI. Spain for Gibraltar.

MrGaryPaterson 12h12 hours ago
Standing ovation just now in EU Parliament as Austrian writer Robert Menasse asks Europeans to support #ScotlandInEurope at #EU60! #ScotRef

Shakethedisease

fun4everyone wrote: »

Neil Findlay was even better. Sturgeon actually cannot even reply to him pointing out her hypocrisy so well, she just sits in embarrassed silence. The Greens look just as bad. Video does not embed but I have set the start time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GiwxKquuRY#t=1m54s

Neil Findlay ( who's just caused the mother of all twitter rows with an ill advised tweet about Sturgeon ) and Ruth Davidson...

Mike Russell just claimed Neil Findlay! He said lovely to see with Neil Findlay and Ruth Davidson the reemergence of better together...Neil raised a point of order asking him to withdraw as he actually voted Remain...Mike retorted 'so did Ruth Davidson allegedly'...

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

Sturgeon is going against the wishes of the majority by demanding a referendum

Theresa May is acknowledging the wishes of the majority by denying one.

Let's see about those opinion polls in about a years time shall we.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

It's encouraging to know that this sort of thing is being developed. The SNP, being a fanatical group, have a typically cpmpulsivefondness for coordinated group militancy, so it's pleasing to see a bit of counter plotting.

Although I'm not so sure that boycotting a legal referendum would be wise, I presume that action assumes it is an illegitimate referendum which people are being asked to boycot (So I'm assuming we are talking about an illegal SNP imposed even, a legal referendum would be a different matter). That would mean the SNP would win the so-called referendum so a boycot would only be successful if a large number of people joined it and reduced the turnout to low levels, eg under 50% of so. Or, indeed, local councils. So good luck.

But in addition to a boycot that is not all that could be done. I've mentioned bsfore my belief that legal challenges that could be tried. That takes energy and funding. But it would screw up the referendum process and even if not 100% successful would delay things and, if handled skillfully, further damage the legitimacy of the referendum itself in the minds of Scots.Some examples could be:

O. Challenge on the legality of the referendum on the basis that it's intent is unconstitutional in usurping Reserved matters
O. Challenge on the participation of non Brits in the referendum
O. Challenge on the non partipation of Scots living in the text of the UK

It does not matter what the words in the Referendum are, it's the intent that matters as far as the legal challenges is concerned.

Such legal challenges should be brought just before the referendum date to tests the most disruption .

Then of course there is social media and the like. I don't like that because it is division but one can be sure that the SNP will be all over that like a rash so it has to be done.

Of course, not being Scottish myself it's not for me to define such things for Scots, it's a Scottish perogative. I only mention them to stimulate ideas --- a catalyst to the Plotting process! It's up to you Scots.

Maybe after any Scottish Referendum the other Nations in the Union should be asked their opinion if the status quo is affected or challenged.

Let's make the mountain that the SNP has to climb as difficult as possible.

There will be a legal referendum/vote. None of the journo's and other media outlets have cottoned on to it yet. Too caught up in all the drama of May refusing a section 30 and spin about no other options ..to look any further into it.

What was interesting about tonight's tv viewing was the debate afterwards with Adam Tomkins and Fiona Hyslop. I don't know if any other Scots viewers caught it ?

One got the impression that Tompkins thought he was only there in order to wax lyrical and be treated with kid gloves about the SNP and why there shouldn't be another referendum. But the audience were having none of it. And were by far more interested in asking about Brexit and what was going to happen with EU nationals, powers over fishing/agriculture etc etc. Tomkins blustered and flustered his way through it with no answers to give. He looked totally at a loss. .

Well he and Davidson better get some answers and smartish. Because this 'stop another referendum stuff' the Scottish Tories have dined out on for the last nine months ends tomorrow. If that audience ( BBC ) was in any way reflective then people aren't interested in the SNP ( we all know they're bad ).. They want real answers from the Tories now and certainly didn't get any tonight.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Well he and Davidson better get some answers and smartish. Because this 'stop another referendum stuff' the Scottish Tories have dined out on for the last nine months ends tomorrow. If that audience ( BBC ) was in any way reflective then people aren't interested in the SNP ( we all know they're bad ).. They want real answers from the Tories now and certainly didn't get any tonight.

Interesting to see that you like the SNP have made a dramatic volte face on the Brexit issue. You've gone from attempting to remove Scotland from the UK with the mere threat of Brexit to now hoping beyond hope that Brexit is such unmitigated disaster that enough Scots will opt to vote for independence.
I sense the omnipresent SNP grevience narrative is beginning to grate big time with most Scots.
Sturgeon forgets she is the FM for the whole of Scotland not just for those who agree with her on independence.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There will be a legal referendum/vote. None of the journo's and other media outlets have cottoned on to it yet. Too caught up in all the drama of May refusing a section 30 and spin about no other options ..to look any further into it.

The only legal referendum on independence will be one which is agreed by the UK.

I'm sure that the SNP Government will be shown slightly more respect than they have shown in Westminster, which need not be much.

Oh there are lots of options. One on the SNP side would be to pay attention to whether Scots want a Referendum. Or is that too democratic?

See the video here, not that Sturgeon's words are worth much.

https://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/the-snps-indyref2-mandate.html?m=1

.string.

Tromking wrote: »

Interesting to see that you like the SNP have made a dramatic volte face on the Brexit issue. You've gone from attempting to remove Scotland from the UK with the mere threat of Brexit to now hoping beyond hope that Brexit is such unmitigated disaster that enough Scots will opt to vote for independence.
I sense the omnipresent SNP grevience narrative is beginning to grate big time with most Scots.
Sturgeon forgets she is the FM for the whole of Scotland not just for those who agree with her on independence.

Above - my bold

Yes she said that after the last Scottish Election.

Enterprise_1701C

I would have been all in favour of a legal vote if Sturgeon had played ball.

It is quite clear that a proper campaign cannot be mounted whilst the UK should be concentrating on getting the right deal for the UK as a whole.

Of course Sturgeon knew this, and knew what the answer had to be when she announced she was going to ask for a referendum. She would have been very disappointed if May had turned round and said carry on. But the logistics simply will not allow it. This is precisely why she announced her ambitions now.

So currently Scotland have someone in "power" who is more interested in the EU than Scotland, I still think she wants to be president of the EU, however much of it is left by then. Also, one of her high profile MSPs cant even work out why London has more MPs than Scotland. Yes, the balance is wrong, proportionally Scotland has far too many MPs compared to London, population-wise.

People that do what Sturgeon has done in schools get hauled before the headmaster. She is a very loud mouthed bully and thinks she can get away with it.

Can I add an addendum to any possible future referendum. I want her banned from any airwaves that go anywhere near the UK, or anywhere outside of Scotland. Oh, and that wall that Trump was talking about, I want one built between England and Scotland.

The funny thing is I never used to feel this way about Scotland, even wanted to go there on holiday, before Sturgeon came along. If she has had that influence on me then how many other people has it affected like that. I even avoid buying Scottish goods now.

As far as I am concerned if she wants to go she can go, and she can then explain the consequences to her people when they have to pay for uni places and prescriptions, and have higher taxes, among all the other things such as paying into the UN, NATO, and eventually massive fees for the EU and having to have the Euro (which is designed to destroy all economies except the German one).

mollycat

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I would have been all in favour of a legal vote if Sturgeon had played ball.

It is quite clear that a proper campaign cannot be mounted whilst the UK should be concentrating on getting the right deal for the UK as a whole.

Of course Sturgeon knew this, and knew what the answer had to be when she announced she was going to ask for a referendum. She would have been very disappointed if May had turned round and said carry on. But the logistics simply will not allow it. This is precisely why she announced her ambitions now.

So currently Scotland have someone in "power" who is more interested in the EU than Scotland, I still think she wants to be president of the EU, however much of it is left by then. Also, one of her high profile MSPs cant even work out why London has more MPs than Scotland. Yes, the balance is wrong, proportionally Scotland has far too many MPs compared to London, population-wise.

People that do what Sturgeon has done in schools get hauled before the headmaster. She is a very loud mouthed bully and thinks she can get away with it.

Can I add an addendum to any possible future referendum. I want her banned from any airwaves that go anywhere near the UK, or anywhere outside of Scotland. Oh, and that wall that Trump was talking about, I want one built between England and Scotland.

The funny thing is I never used to feel this way about Scotland, even wanted to go there on holiday, before Sturgeon came along. If she has had that influence on me then how many other people has it affected like that. I even avoid buying Scottish goods now.

As far as I am concerned if she wants to go she can go, and she can then explain the consequences to her people when they have to pay for uni places and prescriptions, and have higher taxes, among all the other things such as paying into the UN, NATO, and eventually massive fees for the EU and having to have the Euro (which is designed to destroy all economies except the German one).

Sturgeon isn't Scotland; she and her "disciples" represent only a minority viewpoint.

The rest of us hate her/their behaviour as much as you do do!

Remember, whether you live in Dundee, Bangor, Wolverhampton, Cardiff, Oxford etc, etc....we are all the same!

The aim of the Scottish nationalist is to create division and grievance where none exist....lets all not let them do that