The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

We need independence to change all that though tricky. We will never make progress under Westminster control. Even an English Nat can see that.
We would have far more chance of attracting people from the EU if we are actually in the EU in one way or the other.
Our alternative is to stay in the UK with it's Nat inward thinking and shutting off to the World.
What would our expenditure be then?

You'd be right if you weren't wrong. The UK is looking to open up to the world rather than just 7% of it. But if you're dead set on staying with the 7% you carry on but let's not pretend that Scotland can do better without the union as it's demonstrably untrue looking at GERS, oil funds, socialist policies and taxation, and the immigration trends.

sss555s

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Oh look, I'm pro-independence; just not pro-SNP.

It doesn't take a genius to see that no matter how resourceful Scotland is, we cannot come anywhere near maintaining the standard of living that we currently have in an independent Scotland.
Much though I personally wish otherwise.
To think that we can is delusional, pure and simple.

Well I've never voted SNP in my life yet so I guess you're right about that.

So where do you see Scotlands deficit and standard of living 5 years from now if we stay in the UK?

sss555s

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You'd be right if you weren't wrong. The UK is looking to open up to the world rather than just 7% of it. But if you're dead set on staying with the 7% you carry on but let's not pretend that Scotland can do better without the union as it's demonstrably untrue looking at GERS, oil funds, socialist policies and taxation, and the immigration trends.

But that 7% is already open to the rest of the World. You're closing all those trade routes down to try and establish similar (at best) trade tariffs all over again over the next decade or so.
That doesn't sound like the brightest idea for a debt riddled small nation.

antrobus

sss555s wrote: »

You're quoting general figures that don't take a lot of things into account.

Yes, there would be hard work ahead but look where we are under Westminster control. Scotland is very resourceful and we wouldn't look back after the initial settling in.

GERS is not a 'general figure', it is a national statistic. Scotland is running a fiscal deficit of almost 10%. The 'initial settling' you refer to is what everyone else calls 'austerity'.

No more BS. Start being honest about the price that will be paid for independence.

antrobus

sss555s wrote: »

..That doesn't sound like the brightest idea for a debt riddled small nation.

I suppose that's one argument against Scottish independence.:)

TrickyTree83

antrobus wrote: »

I suppose that's one argument against Scottish independence.:)

Stumbled right into that one.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

Well I've never voted SNP in my life yet so I guess you're right about that.

So where do you see Scotlands deficit and standard of living 5 years from now if we stay in the UK?

Better than if Scotland were independent, that's just simple maths and logic.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

sss555s wrote: »

Well I've never voted SNP in my life yet so I guess you're right about that.

So where do you see Scotlands deficit and standard of living 5 years from now if we stay in the UK?

In 5 years from now?

Scotland's deficit should be slowly decreasing as exports rise thanks to improved free trade opportunities AND increased exports of sustainable power and water to the rUK.

We all know how much Scots produce is potentially possible to trade in increased amounts with a diverse range from tartan to farmed fish.
There are huge market possibilities in Commonwealth countries as well as globally; for just one example Scots are the 3rd largest ethnic group in Canada. A genuine Scottish tartan kilt would I'm sure be coveted by many.

The standard of living should remain comparable with rUK - provided the SNP don't continue to slowly destroy what we have whilst pushing Whitehall for more and more concessions before having a fully accountable plan of action for these concessions.
PLUS the SNP must (to maintain even our current standards) devote much more time and energy to government and budget in order to correct the shortfalls and reverse the decline of recent years.

Scots schools and universities were for example once (and not too long ago) the envy of the world. Edinburgh for example was known as THE veterinarian university globally for many, many years. Whilst those days may never be seen again, there is I'm sure scope for more than a little improvement.

We have the possibilities.
What we do not have is a cohesive plan to make the most of these opportunities, and the SNP are actually hindering rather than helping.
To blame Westminster's control for Scottish shortcomings without acknowledging the SNP's involvement in making at least some of these shortcomings more severe is naive.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

In 5 years from now?

Scotland's deficit should be slowly decreasing as exports rise thanks to improved free trade opportunities AND increased exports of sustainable power and water to the rUK.

We all know how much Scots produce is potentially possible to trade in increased amounts with a diverse range from tartan to farmed fish.
There are huge market possibilities in Commonwealth countries as well as globally; for just one example Scots are the 3rd largest ethnic group in Canada. A genuine Scottish tartan kilt would I'm sure be coveted by many.

The standard of living should remain comparable with rUK - provided the SNP don't continue to slowly destroy what we have whilst pushing Whitehall for more and more concessions before having a fully accountable plan of action for these concessions.
PLUS the SNP must (to maintain even our current standards) devote much more time and energy to government and budget in order to correct the shortfalls and reverse the decline of recent years.

Scots schools and universities were for example once (and not too long ago) the envy of the world. Edinburgh for example was known as THE veterinarian university globally for many, many years. Whilst those days may never be seen again, there is I'm sure scope for more than a little improvement.

We have the possibilities.
What we do not have is a cohesive plan to make the most of these opportunities, and the SNP are actually hindering rather than helping.
To blame Westminster's control for Scottish shortcomings without acknowledging the SNP's involvement in making at least some of these shortcomings more severe is naive.

The choice is going to be made much sooner than that though. Any vote is nearly two years off yet and the benefit of that is Scots will get to see how where all these opportunities and possibilities are panning out and heading. If they're not looking so good, then it's bye-bye Scotland. I hope May and Davies have done a bit more planning than they seem to have done up until now.

The Growth Commission will release it's findings soon enough on currency and deficit reduction plans. Sturgeon spoke at length yesterday about this. But she did point out that while it's only right that Scots get a full and frank picture of Scotland's challenges ahead. That Scots would also be asking the same of Westminster regarding Brexit effects.

How Brexit is forcast to affect GERS figures directly should Scotland leave the Single Market will be an important marker. Let's hope there's aren't too many negatives in there because it might mean GERS being used as a stick to beat Unionist arguments with rather than the other way round.

NS yesterday :-

"Our Growth Commission is currently working on a clear plan for Scotland's economic future.The Commission will conclude its work over the next few months and we will then present its outcome for public scrutiny and debate. It will address the challenges we face in a hard headed and realistic way. But it will also set out the massive opportunities we have as a country - if we choose to grasp them.

It is down to us to make the economic case for independence.

To answer, clearly, the questions that people ask. And we will.
But we should also be clear about this - those who argue for Scotland to stay in the UK have big economic questions to answer too."

On a more political note, what on earth is Davidson going to talk about when she realises this referendum is actually happening. Her 24/7 'no mandate' spiel runs out next week and she's not spoken about anything other than 'stopping the referendum' for the last 9 months.

TrickyTree83

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

In 5 years from now?

Scotland's deficit should be slowly decreasing as exports rise thanks to improved free trade opportunities AND increased exports of sustainable power and water to the rUK.

We all know how much Scots produce is potentially possible to trade in increased amounts with a diverse range from tartan to farmed fish.
There are huge market possibilities in Commonwealth countries as well as globally; for just one example Scots are the 3rd largest ethnic group in Canada. A genuine Scottish tartan kilt would I'm sure be coveted by many.

The standard of living should remain comparable with rUK - provided the SNP don't continue to slowly destroy what we have whilst pushing Whitehall for more and more concessions before having a fully accountable plan of action for these concessions.
PLUS the SNP must (to maintain even our current standards) devote much more time and energy to government and budget in order to correct the shortfalls and reverse the decline of recent years.

Scots schools and universities were for example once (and not too long ago) the envy of the world. Edinburgh for example was known as THE veterinarian university globally for many, many years. Whilst those days may never be seen again, there is I'm sure scope for more than a little improvement.

We have the possibilities.
What we do not have is a cohesive plan to make the most of these opportunities, and the SNP are actually hindering rather than helping.
To blame Westminster's control for Scottish shortcomings without acknowledging the SNP's involvement in making at least some of these shortcomings more severe is naive.

It's ironic that everything that was "good" about Scottish education appears to have been built on foundations laid by Westminster. Rapidly torn down really given the short blip in time that the SNP has been in power.