The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

cogito wrote: »

How exactly will Scotland become a magnet for talent and investment? If it already has trouble attracting immigrants, what is going to change to make it happen now? What would be the attraction of living in a country which will no longer have the financial support of the UK, has a horrendous budget deficit which would need eye watering austerity to correct through increased taxes and/or massive public spending cuts?

MAGIC! God I thought you'd have cottoned on to the ace up their sleeve by now. It's magic, it's all magic.

kabayiri

cogito wrote: »

How exactly will Scotland become a magnet for talent and investment? If it already has trouble attracting immigrants, what is going to change to make it happen now? What would be the attraction of living in a country which will no longer have the financial support of the UK, has a horrendous budget deficit which would need eye watering austerity to correct through increased taxes and/or massive public spending cuts?

Why would the English want to live under an SNP government which has poured scorn on its nearest neighbour?

I wouldn't.

You're right.

Scotland doesn't attract migrants. Even refugees want to move from those lovely Scottish isles to places like Manchester.

I can accept that some English people may dislike a post-Brexit future, but they'd fare better moving to a country on the continent which knows what currency they are using.

.string.

foxtrotoscar wrote: »

I'm sure I remember NS saying 'The people of Scotland would decide when the next referendum would be'. The people of Scotland don't wish another referendum so why is she calling for one?

Yes she did - you are correct..

Have a look at this everyone

http://chokkablog.blogspot.com/

And read his remarks about the SNP so-called mandate.

He makes a valid point. I remember there was talk at the time of the Scottish GE that the SNP would lose votes if they included in their manifesto a committment to have another referendum. They snuck the words highlighted by Hague in a little corner, not making it a committment to do anything, in order not to frighten off people who had voted No. But now they are pretending that voters in Scotland have given them a mandate. They have conned people or, rather, they are trying to.

Edit: does anyone know if the Greens had anything in their manifesto?!

LABMAN

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I seem to have missed where opinion polling took precedence over election results on mandates. In any case :-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39264468
By John Curtice Professor of politics at Strathclyde University
14 March 2017

I'm sure you've quoted opinion polls regularly so why now be so dismissive? The Scottish election was not based on indyref2...why suggest it was?

TrickyTree83

.string. wrote: »

Yes she did - you are correct..

Have a look at this everyone

chokkablog.blogspot.com

And read his remarks about the SNP so-called mandate.

He makes a valid point. I remember there was talk at the time of the Scottish GE that the SNP would lose votes if they included in their manifesto a committment to have another referendum. They snuck the words highlighted by Hague in a little corner, not making it a committment to do anything, in order not to frighten off people who had voted No. But now they are pretending that voters in Scotland have given them a mandate. They have conned people or, rather, they are trying to.

The "mandate" which was based on 25.3% of the electorate?

Superb mandate that, truly astounding.

Can the other ~75% of Scots get off their bum and get rid of these morons from Holyrood please? Just back one party, any party I don't mind, just not the SNP.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

You're right.

Scotland doesn't attract migrants. Even refugees want to move from those lovely Scottish isles to places like Manchester.

I can accept that some English people may dislike a post-Brexit future, but they'd fare better moving to a country on the continent which knows what currency they are using.

... even when it tanks to under a dollar.

International investor Jim Rogers has warned that the value of the pound could go under one dollar within three to four years if Scotland was to leave the UK.

Rogers, who co-founded the Quantum Fund with George Soros, said the UK is facing serious problems.

Speaking to the BBC, Rogers said: “If Scotland leaves they are going to take their oil with them and the pound could go down a great deal. It would certainly go down under one US dollar.”
“You've got a lot of debt, you've got a serious balance of trade problem which shows no signs of being corrected. I don't see anything to make sterling go up

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/pound-value-brexit-dollar-euro-jim-rogers-prediction-currency-exchange-latest-a7362086.html

An investor ^^^ There are stories today of EU nurses and construction workers leaving in droves as well. The UK not quite so attractive as it once was ?

Shakethedisease

LABMAN wrote: »

I'm sure you've quoted opinion polls regularly so why now be so dismissive? The Scottish election was not based on indyref2...why suggest it was?

I'm not suggesting anything other than opinion polls are not voters in elections. Imagine Sturgeon ruled out an indy ref due to a couple of polls, only for the numbers to go through the roof a few months later ? That would be a very foolish thing to do.

They're only snapshots of public opinion. And even with the Scottish ones recently the questions have been framed between having a referendum now/during Brext/after Brexit/Never. Both sides as Curtice has pointed out are taking these figures all, some or just one of them and using them to make their case.

The last YouGov poll had 46% against 42% saying they didn't want Westminster to rule a ref out.

zagubov

setmefree2 wrote: »

And once stuff is labelled Made in Scotland and not Made in the UK - will we in RUK still buy it?

I'm sure all of us will. Except for the (very) odd bigot.:D

cogito wrote: »

Neither do I but I just don't feel the love that the SNP have for me.

I don't know which part of the UK you're talking about but they have been widely reported today as inviting in people from all over the UK to move to Scotland. Hardly the actions of an English-hating party (which some posters here would like to consider them)

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Yes she did - you are correct..

Have a look at this everyone

http://chokkablog.blogspot.com/

And read his remarks about the SNP so-called mandate.

He makes a valid point. I remember there was talk at the time of the Scottish GE that the SNP would lose votes if they included in their manifesto a committment to have another referendum. They snuck the words highlighted by Hague in a little corner, not making it a committment to do anything, in order not to frighten off people who had voted No. But now they are pretending that voters in Scotland have given them a mandate. They have conned people or, rather, they are trying to.

Edit: does anyone know if the Greens had anything in their manifesto?!

Hague's in full panic mode as well. Scots voters elected a majority of pro-indy's msp's at Holyrood. That's how representative democracy works. Kevin's howling at the moon with stats which mean nothing much.

There's now no stopping the vote next week on the referendum bill (seeking a section 30) being passed by Holyrood. At which point it ceases being just an SNP policy/manifesto commitment and begins life as the democratic will of the Scottish parliament by its elected representatives.

Hague has no stats to prevent it.

posh*spice

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Hague's in full panic mode as well. Scots voters elected a majority of pro-msp's at Holyrood. That's how representative democracy works. Kevin's howling at the moon with stats which mean nothing much.

There's now no stopping the vote next week on the referendum bill (seeking a section 30) being passed by Holyrood. At which point it ceases being just an SNP policy/manifesto commitment and begins life as the democratic will of the Scottish parliament by its elected representatives.

Hague has no stats to prevent it.

Seriously who gives a !!!! ! The world economy is in a good place - scotland isnt even a side show ...

Tuck into your short bread, wear your tartan - then get over yourself