The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The unionist vote is split two or three ways. Comfort yourself all you like by 'adding them all together'.

So you were wrong; or deliberately "spinning it".

Most Scots, (non SNP voters "added together"), DON'T want a party in power that advocates Independance.

Glad we got that sorted

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The unionist vote is split two or three ways. Comfort yourself all you like by 'adding them all together'. But it doesn't reflect the way democracy works in the UK at the present time.

It's the way Independance referendums work though! :rotfl::rotfl:

zagubov

I don't remember the SNP making an outstanding case for independence.

They never had more than about 30% of the electorate on their side.

Cameron pulled a blinder by demanding they have a referendum when the SNP won a surprise election landslide. It was the No campaign's to lose.

They completely ****ed it up, so that by the time the referendum happened the Yes side had won over 45% of the electorate.

They ended up in a panic and promised something like Devo Plus which some of the London media branded as Devo Max.

It's the unionist parties that are responsible for the current Scotland/England divide.

Shakethedisease

mollycat wrote: »

So you were wrong; or deliberately "spinning it".

Most Scots, (non SNP voters "added together"), DON'T want a party in power that advocates Independance.

Glad we got that sorted

No, you've forgotten to add in the Greens and all the other left wing leaning parties in Scotland. The SNP aren't the only independence supporting party in Scotland these days, far from it.

The Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dem core vote is fading out ( with their demographics primarily in the +55 age range ) with little in the way of younger voters to replace them. Labour cannot count on the traditional red/left wing/union members of yesteryear. It's a lesson they've still not learned as yet. The Conservatives are concentrated in more wealthy rural and farming areas, reduced to sucking up 'anyone to keep the SNP out' tactical voters in those areas. Not support for their actual policies. Lib Dems, least said.

None of the above in terms of voting patterns going forward is good for the union. The SNP dominate in every age group under 55 in every poll, even with the independence question. Former Labour No voters of any age will have a choice to make in any future referendum. There is a definite limit to which they can be relied on to keep voting No just to keep the Conservatives in UK power with no real Scottish representation of their own at Westminster. There's still half a million or so of the Scottish electorate still voting Labour as it stands.

Sort that one out.

.string.

Shakey wrote:

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Bubble Talk.

So much for Sturgeon's remarks on representing all Scots, regardless of their views on Separation.

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, you've forgotten to add in the Greens and all the other left wing leaning parties in Scotland. The SNP aren't the only independence supporting party in Scotland these days, far from it.

The Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dem core vote is fading out ( with their demographics primarily in the +55 age range ) with little in the way of younger voters to replace them. Labour cannot count on the traditional red/left wing/union members of yesteryear. It's a lesson they've still not learned as yet. The Conservatives are concentrated in more wealthy rural and farming areas, reduced to sucking up 'anyone to keep the SNP out' tactical voters in those areas. Not support for their actual policies. Lib Dems, least said.

None of the above in terms of voting patterns going forward is good for the union. The SNP dominate in every age group under 55 in every poll, even with the independence question. Former Labour No voters of any age will have a choice to make in any future referendum. There is a definite limit to which they can be relied on to keep voting No just to keep the Conservatives in UK power with no real Scottish representation of their own at Westminster. There's still half a million or so of the Scottish electorate still voting Labour as it stands.

Sort that one out.

This is propaganda, pure and simple.

Always has been the tactic of nationalists/extremists everywhere throughout history; sure beats winning the argument.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, you've forgotten to add in the Greens and all the other left wing leaning parties in Scotland. The SNP aren't the only independence supporting party in Scotland these days, far from it.

The Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dem core vote is fading out ( with their demographics primarily in the +55 age range ) with little in the way of younger voters to replace them. Labour cannot count on the traditional red/left wing/union members of yesteryear. It's a lesson they've still not learned as yet. The Conservatives are concentrated in more wealthy rural and farming areas, reduced to sucking up 'anyone to keep the SNP out' tactical voters in those areas. Not support for their actual policies. Lib Dems, least said.

None of the above in terms of voting patterns going forward is good for the union. The SNP dominate in every age group under 55 in every poll, even with the independence question. Former Labour No voters of any age will have a choice to make in any future referendum. There is a definite limit to which they can be relied on to keep voting No just to keep the Conservatives in UK power with no real Scottish representation of their own at Westminster. There's still half a million or so of the Scottish electorate still voting Labour as it stands.

Sort that one out.

The only problem is that you are wrong. The only age group that voted for independence was 25-39 year olds, the young middle aged. The actual young (16-24) voted No!.

If we look at the constituency polling for the various parties, who votes SNP?

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/8t2kd33dkt/Times_FinalCall_Scotland_160504_Day1_W.pdf

The SNP has the lowest level of support among 16-24 and the 65+ age groups. If you're going to make things up then at least make it something that a simple Google isn't going to demolish. 2nd search result. Must try harder.:wall:

Arklight

Shes using that study that canvassed less than forty people. A lot of Scottish nationalists do because it said exactly what they wanted to hear and was released right after the result.

But the sample size is so small it's meaningless. Exit polls showed what you said. Young people don't want independence.

Generali

Arklight wrote: »

Shes using that study that canvassed less than forty people. A lot of Scottish nationalists do because it said exactly what they wanted to hear and was released right after the result.

But the sample size is so small it's meaningless. Exit polls showed what you said. Young people don't want independence.

40 people isn't a poll it's a chat in the pub!

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

The only problem is that you are wrong. The only age group that voted for independence was 25-39 year olds, the young middle aged. The actual young (16-24) voted No!.

If we look at the constituency polling for the various parties, who votes SNP?

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/8t2kd33dkt/Times_FinalCall_Scotland_160504_Day1_W.pdf

The SNP has the lowest level of support among 16-24 and the 65+ age groups. If you're going to make things up then at least make it something that a simple Google isn't going to demolish. 2nd search result. Must try harder.:wall:

Talk about spectacularly missing the point. I wasn't talking about THE poll taken after the independence vote... I'm talking about polls in general asking the independence question since and recently. Or just as importantly, party political support going into elections.

The SNP dominate in every age group under 55 in every poll, even with the independence question.

^^^^ Wasn't talking about referendum day !

Apr 29 2016

blair jenkins ‏@BlairJenkinsYes @STVNews Among many interesting detailed numbers behind your headline figure, it seems fully 60% of under-55s now support a Yes vote.

There have been loads of polls since Sept 2014. Feel free to go through them all. The demographics will show you that at the present time the SNP now dominate in the under 55 group for both party support and when the independence question is asked. The gender gap and problem Salmond had has is also lessening. ( The ipsos mori poll was a few months ago now but it's all I could find for visuals ).

A very interesting result from @IpsosMORIScot: the gender gap that persisted all through #indyref has disappeared.

All very encouraging for both the SNP and all pro independence parties and voters. In fact the poll you posted the tables for backs this up.

16 -24 SNP 41 Conservative 15 Labour 27

25 -49 SNP 55 Conservative 14 Labour 22

50 -64 SNP 53 Conservative 15 Labour 20

65 + SNP 33 Conservative 35 Labour 22

The above results are representative of just about every single poll taken in the last year. If you cannot see that Scottish Labour, Scottish Conservatives and that 55% No vote have a REALLY big problem demographically going forward. Well then, you're missing something quite fundamental in terms of the independence debate. As well as all the predictions of imminent SNP 'demise'.

If we look at the constituency polling for the various parties, who votes SNP?

A majority of voters in every age group apart from the over 55's. As I said.