The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

It's the problem with socialism: if you don't put a price on something you need to ration it another way.

Still I'm sure all those sons and daughters millionaires will be very glad not to have to compete for a decent job with some spotty oik from Govan who might be brighter than them but whose failing comprehensive didn't prepare them to get into uni.

It's just a different culture. Going to college rather than university is far more commonplace than elsewhere in the UK, and as far as my experience goes, always has been. Looking solely at universities is narrowing the debate too much. There are problems of course. But one must look at further and higher education as a whole, rather than just one part of it. The levels of students from working class homes going to university in Scotland haven't changed since 1996.

Young people from working class homes in Scotland are far less likely to go to university than their middle class peers due to a “shocking access gap” which has not narrowed in 20 years, a report has found.

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/education/rich-are-four-times-more-likely-to-go-to-university-than-the-poor-1-4139388

Speaking to BBC News,
However, it fails to take account of the significantly different context in Scotland whereby a significant proportion of HE takes place in colleges. “When participation in college is factored in, the Scottish HE participation rate is significantly higher than in England.”

The go to college instead. Changes need to be made and problems tackled with this. But adding in tuition fees to the mix, isn't any solution. England remember is an oddity in Europe that it charges so highly, no reason for Scotland to follow the same route and certainly not for poorer working class students.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

The usual inability to step outside the myopic SNP bubble. The true path to irrelevancy.

Let's turn this on it's head string. What should the SNP do if it starts looking likely that a majority of Scots wish to leave the UK ? Say in the event of a Brexit or similar ?

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Let's turn this on it's head string. What should the SNP do if it starts looking likely that a majority of Scots wish to leave the UK ? Say in the event of a Brexit or similar ?

How would you ever ascertain that though, opinion polls?

Will that be the basis of the SNP future policy?

A "once in a generation", referendum time, after time ,after time....according to what Gallup say!

Better just to stick with the result of the proper poll we had in September 2014

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Let's turn this on it's head string. What should the SNP do if it starts looking likely that a majority of Scots wish to leave the UK ? Say in the event of a Brexit or similar ?

You're still missing the point which us that the SNO Bubble, lacking any comprehension or tolerance of other viewpoints, has no credibility .

As for your question, the SNP should acceot the will of the British people.

Just as it should have accepted the will of the Scottish where all but a handful of Scottish Regions voted against separation.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's gone too far now to stop.

Nu Labour was a transformation that enticed the Middle Class to vote for successive Labour Governments. Faded into oblivion leaving a complete void. Only history will tell only long there'll remain in the wilderness for.

Shakethedisease

mollycat wrote: »

How would you ever ascertain that though, opinion polls?

Will that be the basis of the SNP future policy?

A "once in a generation", referendum time, after time ,after time....according to what Gallup say!

Better just to stick with the result of the proper poll we had in September 2014

Yes best indeed to go with what the majority of Scots want. Which at the moment seems to be a political party that advocates Scotish independence in power in Scotland. They're not going away, and they're not going to suddenly stop advocating independence.. so what can one say to that really ? People still vote for them.

As for 'knowing' well I guess that will be just as obvious as it was when Cameron decided to hold an EU referendum.

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes best indeed to go with what the majority of Scots want. Which at the moment seems to be a political party that advocates Scotish independence in power in Scotland. They're not going away, and they're not going to suddenly stop advocating independence.. so what can one say to that really ? People still vote for them.

As for 'knowing' well I guess that will be just as obvious as it was when Cameron decided to hold an EU referendum.

EU referendum was in Tory manifesto wasn't it?

Nice and upfront

BTW don't know if you'd noticed, but the majority of Scots DON'T want a political party that advocates Scottish independance in power in Scotland.

Keep to the facts; leave the propaganda aside for once.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

You're still missing the point which us that the SNO Bubble, lacking any comprehension or tolerance of other viewpoints, has no credibility .

As for your question, the SNP should acceot the will of the British people.

Just as it should have accepted the will of the Scottish where all but a handful of Scottish Regions voted against separation.

The SNP only stand in Scotland. They have no loyalty apart from to those who voted them in surely ?

You are in fact trying to argue that the SNP, should just stop being the SNP, and that those that vote for them should stop voting for them. For no other reason other that you personally don't agree with what they stand for.

Am afraid that doesn't actually say much about your own credibility. Just try and accept that Scots for the moment are open to independence, not there quite yet, but they do keep voting for a party that advocates just that. Not everything is about independence of course. But the SNP have proven quite competent at running a parliament at Holyrood on day to day issues and other important policies too.

Scots voters seem to like both. Those voters that don't vote for other parties. Just not quite in such large numbers.

Shakethedisease

mollycat wrote: »

EU referendum was in Tory manifesto wasn't it?

Nice and upfront

BTW don't know if you'd noticed, but the majority of Scots DON'T want a political party that advocates Scottish independance in power in Scotland.

Keep to the facts; leave the propaganda aside for once.

Yes they do. The unionist vote is split two or three ways. Comfort yourself all you like by 'adding them all together'. But it doesn't reflect the way democracy works in the UK at the present time.

A majority of voters in most constituencies in Scotland both Holyrood and in Westminster now vote SNP. The next independence referendum will see just how well that 55% back in 2014 stacks up a few years down the line.

Fact.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Nu Labour was a transformation that enticed the Middle Class to vote for successive Labour Governments. Faded into oblivion leaving a complete void. Only history will tell only long there'll remain in the wilderness for.

Nu Labour killed Scottish Labour off. Those that were firmly Nu Labour have gone Tory in Scotland in 2016. Those that weren't have gone SNP. Younger voters traditionally in Scotland have voted Labour as a generational thing. They're now also SNP.

Am not really sure where Scottish Labour go from here.